If This Isn't An Eye Opener, What Is?

M.D. Reed wrote...

When I went to the PI and RWD came for a conference, I will never forget how he and JR Ashmore laughed in my kitchen, making fun of the Steven's for all the personal money they had spent on this work and then were pulled out. My thought was what do they say about me and others when we are not around.

Jeff said...

RWD is one sick, sadistic dude. Go ahead NTCC pastors, keep spending you own money on RWD's investments. See where that gets you. I wonder if you'll think it's funny when RWD laughs at you? Most of you are too brainwashed to even recognize what is happening. You think you are sacrificing for the Lord and RWD thinks you are an idiot and he laughs at you while his organization spends your money. I've been telling you guys this for years. If I were an NTCC pastor, knowing what I know now, I'd leave with my church so quick that Jeff Gordon couldn't catch me driving number 24. Graham wouldn't get a wooden nickle out of my church or my pocket for that matter. Stevens thought he was doing something for the Lord? HA! While RWD was laughing I'm sure he was thinking he'd never spend a dime of his money like that. Suckers, that's all I can say. There will always be poor and there will always be suckers.

Jeff

The Reeds

Hey everyone: The Reeds have a blog that is open for posting. Their blog was not established for the same reason as this one and that, I totally understand and respect. Their blog is not about the NTCC. It's about the Reeds, the Lord, and what they are doing for the Lord. That is not to say the NTCC won't ever come up, but that is not why their blog still exists. I'm sure they'd appreciate some visitors and I'm also sure they'd appreciate knowing that the friendships they established over the last 25 years haven't vanished just because they've decided to attend a different church.

The Reeds didn't suggest or ask me to post this. With very few exceptions I work independently however if the Reeds asked me to take down this thread I'd have no problem doing so. My association with M. Reed is pretty much limited to the time that we both lived in the same serviceman's home back in 1985. We've talked since but certainly not often. Having said that, we definitely were good friends back in 1985 when we were both in the Military stationed together at Ft. Hood. I just thought that folks might be interested in going to visit their blog. Below is a link and I've placed a link on my sidebar as well.

http://onelessstone.blogspot.com/

Jeff

Stuck In The Middle asked Jeff...

Are you a student? Have you pastored a church? How long have you been in?

Anonymous said...

So Jeff hasn't ever pastored a church in the Org. Yet, he's heard and seen enough with his own ears and eyes. He's been a witness to the acts that have been done in the name of the Lord. He's been a member of the church under various pastors. He's been a friend and confidant to many who've shared with him their horror stories. And.. he has integrity, he's never revealed things said to him in confidence.

I was a member for 32 yrs. I've seen, and heard a lot of stuff done in the name of the Lord. The gossiping of preachers and their wives. It would hurt many if I were to reveal the things said about them in private.

My brother in-law was taken off the board during one conference, because he didn't have the numbers in his church. Another preacher too, was taken off for the same reason, but he denies it was for that reason. Rev. Davis said the board members had to be examples to the other ministers. Yet... there are men on the board who’ve never had big churches. So what was he talking about? He would have had to remove Rev. Johnson, Rev. Olson and Rev. Difrancesco, Rev. Ashmore. John was shamed from the pulpit at another conference, it was said they didn't do a thing in Panama the first time they went!
I've heard and seen things done to my brother in-law and sister that will simply make you angry. Yet, behind closed doors my brother in-law weeps and my sister holds it in. But they just over look it and cry out to the Lord. Even if they did say something about it, what do you think will be said??? Yes, it would be brought out in public and said "they that love the law of the Lord nothing shall offend them. This verse doesn't give preachers the license to bully a child of God! John and Becky know the real deal. We've had talks before where I comforted them.

This going off the subject a little. But I want to show you how they work. Now.. my sister and I have no blood sister relationship at all. It's because Mike Kekel chose to reveal some private emails between him and my husband and Rev. Olson. My sister had no knowledge of this, it wasn't her business. Yet, he said the Holy Spirit led him to show them to her. He caused discord among the brethren, which is a violation of the by laws. If he's so in tune with the Holy Spirit, why didn't he listen to the Spirit telling him not to sow discord? Hmmm or was it the flesh saying thus saith Mike Kekel, blaming the Lord? So my sister automatically chooses the Org's side. John and Becky know the injustices that have taken place. It's just too late to do anything about it now. Their service is to the work of the Lord. Maybe too, their psychologically damaged. People love their abusers and begin to protect them after awhile... aah just remembered the name Stockholm Syndrome .

People may not leave but they sit in the pews with wounded spirits. Some don't feel worthy to be preachers, because that is how you're made to feel. The preacher in Graham brought in off the field. They're preached at by Rev. Davis "how long you gonna sit here" and other messages or comments made. Don't tell me it doesn't go on cause it does! There comes a time when you get tired of hearing about how you didn't do it right. When actually you did do what was taught.

Could it be that person is not in the place where the Lord wants them? Yet, the man who told Rev. Davis where God wanted him is blamed? He is shamed from the pulpit in front of church members and made out to be incompetent. In front of other preachers he's the example or Rev. Davis tells the group of ministers how bad of a preacher they are. This was done to my brother in-law.

My blood boils at the abuse my family has taken, and there are many preachers who have left because of things done and said to them like this! How long and how much does a person have to take before they wake up and see this relationship is abusive.I have never seen a church Org. that has been so abusive such as NTCC.

So for you to say preachers aren't run off by not having enough money or not having enough members in their church, YOU MISTER are living in a fantasy world! You also, have not experienced it yet. You want to hear that Rev. Davis said to ministers "leave". He won't say it face to face, but by the actions and in the messages it is done.

I also, don't agree with what you said "that if a man doesn't want to go somewhere their okay with it"? I've heard comments made about preachers not wanting to pastor here or there, they were over looked for other appointments. What planet are you on? You are drinking too much kool-aid my friend. Unless they have a new policy, or could it be from
the blogs that's cause them to change? I think not, because of how Rev. Reed was treated. But do you think they're going to ask forgiveness of all the people they've hurt throughout the years?

I say to you, your ignoring the things that go on. The signs of various acts are plainly there, you just don't want to face the facts. Some say they would have left sooner, but it was the fear of not being able to make it without the Org. Which is a totally false lie,that was fed to us. People are serving God not trying to please a man. The burden that is released is so powerful and amazing you'll feel like your 100's of lbs. lighter. And... No, we've not turned our lives over to the devil, thank you very much. This is the bondage that keeps you there, weighted down with the thoughts of what will they think?

Speaking from the heart as one who's been there and done that!

Greetings to all, I'm still the same after all these years! It's you and me Jesus, we sure fooled them all! = )

Reposted by Jeff

All The Man Cares About

RWD is interested in keeping one type of person around his organization. Look at the guy to the left and there you have it. This explains why RWD has no problem getting rid of old timers. He likes young new fresh recruits which will say, "YES SIR" to his every whim. The most important thing to RWD is having the ability to control people. RWD expects you to allow him to talk to you any way he wants, direct you to do what ever he wants, and he expects you to follow his directives without question. This explains why so many old timers leave the NTCC. Once they get smart to his ways, they start to question RWD and he can't stand that and he won't allow it for long. He is insecure in that regard. It's a game that RWD plays. He will hit you with a directive that he knows you don't want to perform and he's already prepaired to deal with you in certain way when you don't.

He is either going to call you out directly to your face or he will blast you the first chance that he can get from behind the pulpit while you're sitting in the congregation. When RWD has decided that he no longer has use for you, he's already devised a multitude of ways to effectively run you off without actually telling you that you must leave his church. In doing so, he can save face while proudly proclaiming, "Brother or Sister so and so left the church because they no longer loved or wanted to serve God."

You see, RWD is a control monger freak!!! Being in control of people is more important to him than anything. You can be a dud but if you let RWD control you, RWD has no problem with you sticking around. You can commit adultery and RWD can let you have it but as long as you say, "YES SIR", RWD has no problem with you sticking around. You can beat children, leave your wife and find a new one, be a useless pastor (according to NTCC standards), get accused of committing every kind of abuse imaginable, run off church members one right after another and still hang around the NTCC as long as you say to RWD, "YES SIR".

The minute you don't agree with one of RWD's stupid directives is the minute that he'll figure out a way to put the screws to you. He'll wrench down the vice on you so tight that you won't be sticking around much longer if you are any kind of man or woman. I've said this in the last couple threads. He doesn't care about your soul one single bit. RWD is smart enough to know when he is driving someone away from his church, so if he really cared, he wouldn't do it, but he doesn't care!!! If he did care he'd back off you long enough for you to rethink the situation but that is not what he wants. He wants control and nothing less. He figures if he can dog you to your face or directly from across the pulpit and you still stick around, then he has you where he wants you; right under his thumb. What he is doing is what the NTCC calls an "obedience check", and Mayers used to brag about doing it to his wife.

When RWD doesn't think he needs or wants you around any longer, you are getting ready to get dogged, and if you can live with being dogged out, than RWD can live with you sticking around "HIS" organization. It's like RWD said in conference: "I was here first and if you don't like it there's the door". RWD doesn't care if you stay or go, but you better allow him to control you as long as you are in his presents. With the NTCC leadership, it's just a big psychological game. Deliberately say something stupid to someone and as soon as they get mad, tell them they need to "pray through" while making them out to be the bad guy. Mayers said that he would wake up his wife in the middle of the night around 3am just to see if she'd get up to fix him a cup of coffee. He called it an "obedience check". NTCC pastors would tell racist jokes around black people just to see if someone would get offended and then the pastor would say, "Whoso loveth the law of the Lord, nothing shall offend them".

It's just a big psychological game and RWD is the master who's taught his pastors every psychological trick in the book. These are cult tactics that cult leaders use to gain control of their people. The main objective of a cult leader is to BREAK YOUR WILL. BREAK YOUR WILL. BREAK YOUR WILL. That is what the NTCC is doing with all these stupid obedience checks. You will either let RWD break your will or RWD will run you off, plain and simple. He is a control freaky deak. He is the big freak nasty control freak. I know what I'm talking about and that is why he doesn't want women to work on a job and that is a whole different topic but it deals with the same thing. Control, control, control, freak, freak, freak. That is what the NTCS is all about. BREAK YOUR WILL. Wayne Cantrell called it a boot camp.

Jeff

Not About Souls

Let me tell you how I know for sure that with RWD and the NTCC leadership, it's not about saving souls. Please read what I'm about write and consider my words. When Bro Bean brought his brother TB over to RWD's house, RWD may not have wanted company and I understand that. But when you are a Christian and your life is devoted to saving souls it's not about what you always want. You make sacrifices and deny yourself for the sake of others. So here is my logic.

RWD is a smart guy and I don't dispute that. He reads people and he often knows what makes people tick. RWD knew that if he gave Bro Bean's brother anything but a warm hearted, sincere welcome, (even though RWD didn't want someone coming over to his house) it could have an impact on TB's decision to have anything else to do with the NTCC. Then, in addition to that guaranteed fact, RWD is smart enough to know that when he sent someone to Bro Bean to notify him that he was wrong for going to RWD house, that TB would never have anything to do with the NTCC. You don't give a guy the cold shoulder and expect him to come back to your church and RWD knows that good and well. So why didn't RWD just suck it up, invite the guy in for coffee and cookies, make him feel at home, and never say a word to Bro Bean about coming to his house uninvited?

Because with RWD, it's not about souls. RWD simply didn't care if the mans brother ever came back to the NTCC and that is the reason he didn't even think twice about acting that way. The only thing that RWD cared about was not being bothered while making sure that it didn't happen again!!! All RWD is worried about is his privacy, the control he has over others, and making sure that the NTCC continues to bring in at least enough money to take care of his investments within the corporation. He doesn't have the time or patience for people to come over to his house unannounced, period. If you don't want people to come over to your house, move farther away from your cult compound and in the process forget about being a pastor/Christian leader. You are in the wrong field. Rename it the New Testament Christian Real-Estate Corporation. Take church out of the equation. RWD is a jerk. For years RWD has taught that every single solitary thing you do can affect souls but he doesn't even attempt to practice that himself when it counts. He'll run you away from his church in a heart beat before you even start coming.

How can anyone dispute what I just wrote? There could be nothing more logical in this world. If your church is the last hope for mankind, (which the NTCC has constantly maintained) and you care about souls, the last thing you would do is give a brand new guest the cold shoulder and that is exactly what RWD did to TB. RWD doesn't care about souls, he cares about control. He already has money so that is not as important to him as it is to have control over people.

Believe me when I tell you this, SOME PEOPLE LOVE POWER!!!!!! SOME PEOPLE LOVE POWER AND AUTHORITY!!!! SOME PEOPLE THRIVE ON HAVING POWER, AUTHORITY AND CONTROL OVER OTHERS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE AN EMOTIONAL HIGH.

RWD is that kind of guy and I'll guarantee it without doubt. I don't agree with it but I understand it and this is why? Because I used to work for a 3 Star General and everywhere we went people figuratively bowed down to that dude and because I was his enlisted escort / Aide, I got much of the same treatment. Everywhere we went people laid the red carpet out for us and because I was his right hand man, I got much of the same treatment. When people saw me they knew he wasn't far behind and I got treated like a King and I'm not kidding. The difference between me and RWD is that I didn't misuse my authority and RWD does constantly. I didn't treat people like they were beneath me and RWD does constantly. You think I didn't have authority? Out of over 17,000 people in Second Infantry Division, (not because of my rank but because of my position) I was one of the most powerful people in the entire Division. Full Colonels and General Officers treated me with MUCH respect because of who I worked for. If I told a Brigade Commander that the General wanted something to happen it was like it was coming directly from the General himself because people knew that I was his assistant. No one messed with me so I fully understand what it's like to have some SERIOUS Authority.

Well RWD has authority and he is a control freak and a bully and I know what I'm talking about. He doesn't care about souls. Listen to what I'm saying people. He cares about POWER, AUTHORITY, and CONTROL. These three and the greatest of these is none of them for a Christian servant. You can't understand others until you've walked in their shoes and where POWER, AUTHORITY and CONTROL is concerned I've walked in RWD's shoes. For the brief period of time that I had it (which was one year), I didn't let it get to my head. I'm currently working in a high level management position and I treat everyone with respect regardless of their position. And guess what, everyone I work with treats me the same way from the lowest to the highest. That is how you earn respect. Not by barking out orders. RWD is a control freak bully leader who is a good business man and that is all he is. I know guys like him because I work around one and no one respects him, they fear him. God help me to never become that kind of leader.

That is why I said I'd spit on RWD's front door step. My previous vulgar display of words was a deliberate show of disrespect toward RWD as a result of his disregard for Bro. Bean's family.

Jeff

The Failure Of So Many NTCC Men

Toward the end of the previous thread I stated some reasons why I wouldn't want my daughter to marry an NTCC man. I also stated how important it is for my daughter to be able to provide for herself. Let me recap. Too many NTCC men drive old broke down vehicles and wind up getting stranded on the side of the road. I know it can happen to anyone, but in the NTCC it happens far to often and I've witnessed it myself. Why does this occur as often as it does? In the NTCC women constantly talk about shopping at various thrift and second hand clothing stores. Why is this practice so abnormally prevalent in the NTCC? Why is it so common for NTCC people to live so far below the nations poverty level? I'll tell you why.

The NTCC leadership places all kinds of employment restrictions upon anyone who is either a minister or anyone who aspires to become a minister. Ministers and aspiring minister are only allowed to work certain jobs. They are ordered to work only certain hours of the day and certain days of the week. Following such mandates often results in them forfeiting the possibility of landing the best jobs available. They are brainwashed into believing that is the only way a Christian man should live for God. In the process these NTCC guys are taught by the example of their peers, to believe that it's "NORMAL" for them to live far below the poverty level. The end result is that many of them struggle financially for years and years. They drive old broke down cars and shop at second hand clothing stores and that becomes the norm but I'll guarantee that is not the norm for RWD. The NTCC system is exactly what creates this and people should want their daughters to marry into that mess? My daughter has more important things to talk about other than second hand shopping hot spots.

One day I remember Oberhauser's wife telling me that she really hoped that her husband could buy her a digital camera sometime in the near future. During that time her husband was having all kinds of vehicle problems with the one vehicle that they owned. Her statement about the camera stuck with me. You mean they were that broke? A digital camera? I felt so bad for her that I talked to my wife and considered buying her a digital camera. Well I'm glad I didn't. I didn't put them in that situation and neither did God. The NTCC leadership did and they took the bait hook line and sinker. You are one seriously broke man and woman if you can't even get a measly little digital camera and you are shopping for second hand clothing driving an old beat up van? I don't want my daughter to have any part of that whole situation and the last thing she needs is some old broke dude to have her stranded on the side of the road in some second clothes and who can't even buy her a stinkin digital camera of all things.

We ain't rich but my wife lives like Queen in comparison. She has more than one digital camera to choose from. When my wife wants something, either I buy it or she does, PERIOD. If I want something I buy it, obviously within reason because we ain't millionaires. I like a few things. nice guns, nice tools, and computers and I have a real nice collection of each. I also like a good chain saw. In fact I bought a brand new gun Saturday and why? Because I stopped letting the NTCC tell me when I could work and what jobs I could take. L.D. Jones tried to tell me that mess one night in Columbus because I sold new Toyotas. I'll guarantee that I treated my customers more fairly than most of these NTCC pastors have treated their church members, so who is the crook? I "CONSTANTLY" run into people who I sold cars and I'll guarantee if you were to talk to them in my absence, they'd have nothing but good things to say about me. I had a family drive two hours from out of town driving past one Toyota dealership right after another so the Son, Father, and Grandfather all on separate occasions could buy 3 brand new cars from me. Why? Because I proved to them they could trust me!!! That is a good feeling folks and that is the kind of reputation I have across about 10 counties. And I was supposed to quit that job because L.D. Jones said so? Who would you rather buy a car from? A good dude who cares about folks or a crook? Yes the car business has crooks and so is the NTCC so whats the difference? Jones wanted me to quit the car business but I didn't see him quiting the NTCC? Well, while Oberhauser was so broke that he couldn't pay attention I was selling a brand new van to one of his church members and he got the best deal that I could possibly get the dealership to give. So Oberhauser was living off of $150 a week because that is all a crook living in a mansion would pay him, while I was doing my best to save his church member thousands of dollars. Who's the crook Jones?

My daughter has been accepted into one of the best colleges in the nation and she is not going to be left high and dry by some NTCC dude who thinks he is worth no more than $150 a week. If she finds a good prosperous man to take care of her that is fine but if he leaves her like I've seen happen in the NTCC, she is going to have the skills and degree needed to take care of herself and she ain't going to have to worry about whether or not she can get a digital camera. In fact, if she wanted a digital camera tomorrow I'd go out and buy her a nice Canon just to prove a point. Y'all can let the NTCC suck up all your opportunities and money if you want to but I'm not the one. Those days are over and here is the funny part. I don't want my daughter to live in poverty and RWD won't let Tanya live like that either. That is why she is teaching at the NTCS and your wife isn't. Many of you will let your wives and daughters ride around in an old broke down car, in second hand clothing but me and RWD have a better plan for ours. You better believe that Grant won't be riding around like that either. He is going to a secular college and it ain't the NTCS, and that's what makes my family and the Kekels a whole lot smarter than many of you. Mike Kekel and I don't buy off on that NTCC mess, and that is why our children will be attending a good secular college that gives out real degrees which result in good jobs. Oh I'm wrong about Mike? Is his kid going to the NTCS? I rest my case. Mike didn't have to send him off to college? He could have joined the Army and gone off to war like your kids and he could have stayed in a serviceman's home. Oh he doesn't want to serve God? Mike didn't have to send him to college, HE WANTED TO!!!!!!!!

My wifes digital camera is getting old, she might need a new one. She can't get a digital camera? That is what I call the "hoodwink" and poverty level thinking. These folks should say, "wait a minute, you mean I can't even afford a digital camera?" Something is wrong with this picture. The Kekels are living in a museum and I'm only getting $150 a week to pastor a serviceman's home and I can't even buy my wife a digital camera? How blind.

Jeff

Life Is Good

I'm off for the weekend and I'm taking it easy. Has anyone noticed that the NTCC church locator is down on the NTCCs official website? It must not be too important to the NTCC leadership for people to be able to find an NTCC church. Their church locator has been down for a while now. The NTCC certainly has enough money to keep a website up and running if they want to. If the NTCC leadership wants something to work it will. Update: The locator is back up. I guess they wanted it to work. Well good, I can get in touch with NTCC pastors again when I want to and I can find out who's left and who's still around.

On to another subject. Is there anyone out there who is into firearms? I am. My wife and I both have concealed carry licenses. We are living in a unlawful world. People are running around trying to hold folks up all the time. It's good to be prepared to protect yourself or your family in the event that your life is threatened.

I've already taken my boy to the indoor range. For a little fellow he shoots pretty good. My dad was a WWII veteran and he taught me to shoot at a fairly young age. Probably about the same age as my son when I taught him to shoot. We can shoot right on my property because I'm far enough out in the country and there aren't many houses around here. I was out there shooting one day when the pest control guy came. He didn't mind. He may have watched for a little bit. Anyway it's a fun hobby and a great means of self defense against seriously violent criminals. Home invasions are on the increase and you don't want to fall victim to someone who wants to rape and plunder while placing your life in jeopardy. It's something to keep in mind you NTCCers. I know for certain that one of your overseers carries a gun in his RV for protection. Nothing wrong with that. It's a smart more. So don't go getting so spiritual on me by saying, "I don't need a gun, God is my protection". You may want to tell your overseers that and see what kind of response you get. That's ok; if someone attacks you and your family all you have to do is hold your fingers up together in the sign of a cross. That will certainly run off a villain. How in the world did I get on this subject?

Jeff

You Can't Be Serious

On his blog, Pastor Kekel referenced this statement...

"One of the biggest enemies of aging Ministers is their fear that they won't be taken care of in their old age. This fear causes them to resort to secular education and employment, abandoning the call of God; but the key is taking care of their old age, in their youth. Then, the wives go on jobs too, which is against the bible, and they find that the same spending habits that got them into the mess, rob them of happiness, even with a double income."

Jeff said...

This absolutely amazes me that Pastor Kekel would reference this paragraph. Here is the first piece of irony surrounding what was written. Pastor Kekel referenced a statement which mentioned secular college attendance as though it's a bad thing. His son is attending a secular college so in my opinion it's quite nervy for Pastor Kekel to even post such a statement. I know the Kekels say that Grant wasn't called and Grant is not saved but that is just an excuse given by them in order to cover up their failure as Christian parents. Personally I don't think they failed however, in conference, I listened to RWD say that you were a failure as a Christian parent if your child didn't go to the NTCCs Bible school. That means everyone to include the Kekels. Not only that but you are telling me that it's wrong for a minister to better himself by attending college? So your telling me that God doesn't want college students to be Christians or preachers? So if God had his way we'd shut down every college? So you can't be a minister and go to college part time but you can be the Kekel's son and go to college full time? Are you kidding me? It's my understanding that Pastor Kekel didn't author this statement but why would he even use it as reference material if he didn't share the same views?

And how in the world are you going to take care of your old age in your youth when you are spending every dime you earn just trying to start up a pioneer church or take over a church that doesn't have hardly any members in it? That is easy for Pastor Kekel to say when he has it made up in Graham having been handed the NTCCs biggest church on a silver platter with a never ending cash flow. Oh yeah, that is really easy for him to say but it's not so easy for the dudes and their wives out in the field. And then he writes "Then, the wives go on jobs too, which is against the bible".

Where in the bible does it say that? Proverbs Chapter 31? The last time I checked, Pro 31 commended women who worked by referring to them as "virtuous". And for the 99th time, being a "keeper at home" means to be a good house keeper. I looked it up in the Strongs concordance that my NTCC pastor told me to purchase. Being a keeper at home doesn't mean that a women can't work. The NTCC leadership makes up their own rules and then they lie by saying you've committed an offense against the Bible when in reality you've only gone against their rule and in this case it's a rule which can't be supported by scripture. If a women doesn't want to work thats fine. If the husband doesn't want her to work thats also fine but it's not fine when you make something up about the Bible that doesn't exist.

Their spending habits didn't get them into that mess, the NTCCs completely messed up system put them in that mess and has kept them in that mess. Make me the pastor of the Graham church and I'd also be rolling in dough like the Kekels. Send my out to start up a church from nothing, make me place huge percentage of my revenue into an escrow account that I have no control over, have me send yet another huge percentage of money to Graham and then have the nerve to tell me that I placed myself in a financial mess? What an insult. Any NTCCer who buys off on this notion is no more than a complete sucker and blind as a bat. How can you NTCC folks remain so ignorant? Yes I was ignorant also but I didn't have access to all this information which clearly displays what the NTCC is really all about.

WAKE UP FOLKS,

Jeff

What A Waste!

This is what you'll look like when the NTCC is about finished with you.

However you'd better get up and run and never turn back.

Without getting into details, I've been notified that another NTCC couple has left the organization. I didn't know the wife but I do know the husband and he has been with the NTCC for approximately 26 or 27 years. He's been the pastor of countless NTCC churches including those oversees. He's punched just about every NTCC ticket you can punch. I know he has been with the NTCC at least since 1984 or 85. You do the math. The NTCC, (with RWD the abusive JERK leading the way with this one) has ran off yet another long time member / minister. Same old tactics, nothing's changed. Old ornery, bully, RWD pointing his finger in the man's face. RWD needs a good punch right in the nose.

Get this folks and get it good. Roger W. Davis is an abusive, bully, male chauvinist, narcissistic, tyrant who doesn't know the first thing about common decency. If you are not a part of RWD's family you don't mean squat to him. Don't flatter yourself by thinking you are important to RWD just because he recognized you during conference and slapped you on your sweaty back, and punched you in your shoulder. You mean nothing to him. He will run you off just like he did this man who's been with the NTCC for over a quarter century. This pastor who just left the NTCC was personally invited to stay in the lodge with RWD during one of the last conferences that I attended. Have you ever stayed in the lodge with RWD during conference? Even if you did, he'll run you off just like he did this guy. I hate the NTCC. This man just dedicated over 25 years of his life to a group who's leader (RWD) considered him as little more than dung. If you want to find a good way to waste a major portion of your life, just keep sticking around the NTCC and you'll do just exactly that. Y'all better wake up. I'd rather leave now having wasted 10 -15 years of my life than to ignore posts just like this one and find out later that I wasted 20 - 25 -30 years just to go out into this world during a recession. At best you'll have an entry level job and a wife with no marketable skills whatsoever.

Buddy, your involvement with the NTCC can rapidly turn into your worst nightmare. Life ain't no game and it ain't no joke when you find yourself having to start your (get this) first real career at almost the age of 50 without having ever really invested in social security. You can serve God and have a real job at the same time. Oh you can't??????? So you are telling me only non-Christians should have a job. What about the scripture that says that if a man doesn't work he should not eat. You better make sure your family is taken care of folks because the NTCC won't. The New Testament Christian Church will really mess you up.

Jeff

Superbowl XLV

Boy am I a dirty rotten sinner; I watched the Superbowl. Well I figured that if Pastor Kekel's son was allowed to play football throughout high school, there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with me watching the Superbowl. Do you think? Is it a sin to watch it but not a sin to play it? While I was in the NTCC I was taught that it was all a sin, but thanks to the Kekels, I was able to mature spiritually and discern right from wrong all by myself. Because the way I figure it, if it's ok to play football, it's ok to watch it. It was a great Superbowl. I hope none of you NTCCers missed it.

Oh I almost forgot. You guys had church tonight. Even though it's not a sin to watch the Superbowl it would be a sin to miss your 5th service of the week and God forbid the NTCC doesn't got that last weekly offering. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to start a church and have 7 services a week, (one every day) and if someone misses a service, I'll preach: "forsake not the assembling of ourselves together as the manner of some is", and then that way, I can get two extra offerings. Ha, ha. I'll just make sure I don't hold service on Sunday evening so I don't miss too many games during football season. Hey why not? If it's good enough for Pastor Kekel's son, it's good enough for me.

Jeff

The NTCC's Dirty Secrets... Homosexuallity In Full Force... I Would Have Never Believed It... A First Hand Account!

This is the real deal folks with names and everything. This is what puts folks in jail. R.W. Davis covered up the whole thing. Click the link and read the story. This trumps all. The NTCC is a CULT all the way and they've covered this stuff up for years. I knew the NTCC leadership was dirty but just not this dirty. It's not as much about the act it is about the cover-up by the NTCC leadership.

All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Open your mind and read the story people. Click on the link below. Now this is a Smoking Gun. RWD would have turned this in to the proper authorities if he wanted to do the right thing, but that would have cut off his cash cow; the Military. Sooner or later the NTCC will no longer be able to fly under the radar and their time may have come with this one. Click the link folks.

http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/

Jeff

Barnes Is A Stone Cold Jerk

This is a picture of Barnes going berserk.

I note from a lady who visited the Jackson M.S. NTCC...

I was invited to visit a church by a long time acquaintance. She said she has been going there for 2 years and she really likes it. I went Sunday (1/30/11). The preacher was blasting rich people and all their possessions. I started looking through my bible for the scripture, "But we know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, for our sakes he became poor that we might be rich, that through his poverty we might be rich.

After I placed my Bible on the pew, the preacher came out of the pulpit with mike in hand and asked who I was. I told him. He asked my acquaintance if she had invited me. She said yes pastor. He asked me if I thought he was mean. I said "Sir, I don't know anything about you." He said you've got some opinion about me; you're looking through your bible. He stopped bending over me and stood up straight. I quoted the scripture that I had been searching for. He said I know that scripture and started walking back toward the front. Thats not what I'm talking about. You need to get your facts straight before you start challenging people. I said you came to me. He whirled around, pointed his finger at me and with mike to his mouth said, SHUT UP! in a deep and gruff voice.

I sat there a few minutes and listened to him. He went back to the pulpit and started giving his resume, saying how he has preached all over the world, and he studies his bible, and he knows what hes talking about. I told my acquaintance that I was leaving, I'm never coming back, and I'm taking my offering with me. She said softly no, no, stay. Don t go. I waited awhile longer. He never got back to the Bible. He stated, Ive got money. I put three children through college. Ive got a bank account. I got a new car backed up out there...pointing toward the parking lot. I asked her to give me a reason why I should stay after this man had told me to shut up. She started writing a note.This is my church home.

The preacher blasted her calling her by name saying, "If she is distracting you". I told her I'm leaving. I gathered my things and stood up. He blasted me again and had the congregation clap because I was leaving. I said no, let me clap because I'm leaving, y'all are making a mockery out of Jesus Christ!

I went to the guest registry and stated scratching out my name and address. A fat woman came to me huffing and puffing and said stop that. I didnt stop but told her that I didn't want my name on their registry. She was looking mean and grabbed my hand hard and said well take care of that, you need to leave. Another fat woman came to me and said ma'am you need to leave! The first one let me go. I told them not to contact me for any reason. I turned to walk away when I heard a male child running up behind me saying, You cant treat my daddy like that! I heard a man tell him sternly Boy, get back in that church! I never looked back.

I got in my car; drove to where my husband was at church. I told him all about what had happened to me. He said where is this church? Were going to see that preacher. They had no business laying a hand on you. He had no business shouting at you and telling you to shut up.
We were met outside in the rain by the assoc. pastor. My husband asked, Are you the pastor? The man said, Im the Assoc. Pastor. He said Id like to see the pastor. The man said, Hes in his study. My husband said, I want to know what happened here today, and why yall disrespected my wife. The man said, Sir no one disrespected your wife. You don't know the whole story. My husband asked three times, "What is the whole story"? The man never opened his mouth he just clenched his lips. A man in a green suite opened the door and stood there and asked my husband 3 times, Were you here with your wife today? My husband did not answer. The man told my husband that he was wrong for not answering his question. Then he said that we were on their property. I told my husband to lets go. As we were leaving I left them with this comment. This is not a church, this is a cult and I'm going to put you on blast! New Testament Christian Church located at the corner of TV Road and 5005 Barrier Place
Jackson, MS 39204 (601) 372-6137 Pastor L. C. Barnes

The Lack Of Common Decency

It was recently reported to me that the Olson's crossed paths with a man who was previously with the New Testament Christian Church. They were all traveling on the same aircraft to the same destination. The man said that he saw the Olsons and he was sure that the Olsons had also noticed him but they didn't acknowledge his presence nor did they greet him. After they crossed paths a few times the man decided that the decent thing to do was to speak and greet the Olsons. The man said that Mr. Olson didn't reply or even speak to him in return. He also said that Mrs. Olson seemed surprised as though she hadn't previously noticed him despite the fact that they'd come virtually face to face on a few occasions.

The fact is, this is just another example of an NTCC leader, (if that is what you want to call him because I wouldn't) who does not possess common decency. Mr. Olson is simply a brainwashed, butt kissing, suck-up who's a virtual RWD drone. I could care less if we'd parted ways. The decent thing to do is at least reply and return the greeting but many of these NTCC snobs don't possess common decency. They really don't. It's all a facade with them. NTCC leaders are interested in two things. "We missed you in church on Sunday Brother". "When will you be back"? "Can we expect to see you on Thursday for service or Tuesday for Bible study"? "We'll be praying for you". "You haven't payed your tithe Brother"? "You don't want to miss the next Bible study because we'll be teaching on tithing". "It'll be a blessing to you Brother".

What a complete joke. I can't believe just how superficial these NTCC clowns are. They don't care that your son had to go to the hospital. They don't care that your wife is having a baby because they will sure have her out soul winning. They don't care if you loose your job, your wife, your children or your parents. They care about two things and it's obvious because that is what they are always concerned with. "Are you going to make it to church on Sunday and are you going to pay your tithe." Period point blank end of story. Money and numbers, and that is straight from RWD's mouth. I can't stand these guys and I hate their attitudes. To put it plainly, they are flat out jerks. They definitely don't possess brotherly love. They will "act" like they love you as long as you attend church as much as humanly possible and as long as you pay tithe. Tell me I'm lying. All you NTCC folks who read this blog; come on here and tell me that I'm lying. Miss paying your tithe and back off some of those church services and watch how rapidly their attitudes change toward you.

Jeff

Life After The New Testament Christian Church; Cursed Or Blessed?

I've raised this question because of my recent experiences leading up to and through the holidays. Sometime after Christmas, I began to think about just how good life has been recently since I left the NTCC. Let me quantify this statement. I have a great job which is as good as I could have ever hoped for and better than any job I ever had while I was with the NTCC. I had almost 2 weeks off during the Christmas holidays with full pay. I get 4 days off for every federal holiday that exists. I earn a great salary, fantastic vacation benefits/time off. Health care benefits which are of no additional cost to me and cover my entire family. Dental care which costs next to nothing and covers my whole family and a huge life insurance policy which will take care of my family in the event that I have an untimely death. Great daytime work hours and weekends off. A fantastic retirement plan. Need I go on? My family and I are currently in the middle of a holiday / Christmas vacation where we are all off work or school at the same time for nearly two weeks or more. Everything is working out far better than I could have possibly dreamed of and that is an understatement.

So where are all the curses which NTCC preachers boldly proclaimed would be awaiting anyone who unwittingly decided to leave their sacred organization? What happened to the eminent financial destitution? Where are all the family problems? Where is the pain and sorrow that NTCC preachers promised would come? I'll tell you where it all is. NTCC preachers/false prophets are full of crap and I have no problem saying so. It was no more than a scare tactic used to convince people that leaving the NTCC would be a fate worse than death itself. It was a scare tactic used for no other reason than to try and keep people in the NTCC for the NTCC leadership's own selfish reasons.

I like having "a lot" of time off, which I get. I like spending much time with my family, which I do. I like living in a nice house, which I have. I like seeing my wife driving in a safe, reliable car, which she has. I like not having to constantly be concerned with money, which I have. I like seeing my kids being well taken care of like Pastor Kekel's son, which they are. I'm convinced that had I stayed in the NTCC, I wouldn't have the good life which I enjoy right now. Life was a struggle in the NTCC; that is if you followed their rules. Oh, and I don't get my money from a bunch of struggling church members. I like what Paul said. "I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself." I'd like to see an NTCC minister try that one. NTCC ministers won't do that because they think they are entitled. NTCC ministers are a bunch of spoiled brats who quite often are afraid of keeping a real job. They think everyone should take care of them but it's clear that Paul didn't think that the Corinthian Church was going to take care of him and he didn't allow it. What? Paul made the whole Corinthian church go to hell? I don't think so.

I know a guy who lives here in Columbus, Georgia who has been with the NTCC for years and years. He and I used to be in the same NTCC church before I left. He feels like he lives a good, prosperous life and he does. He gives God all the glory for his prosperity but there is a catch, (at least according to NTCC standards). He attributes his financial success to the fact that he pays tithes, but there is another catch, (at least according to NTCC standards). His wife has had a job as long as they've been married. She hosts her own TV show. She attends a different church while he attends the NTCC. He has a TV in his house. She wears pants and cuts her hair and so on. He works during the week in the evening time, (by his choice) which results in him missing services. Face it; he has never genuinely followed the NTCC rules so sure he has it good. Stick a dress on his wife and pull her out of the work force and cut off that extra income and live by a schedule where he "never misses services" and see just how miserable life becomes. He'd loose his job. Pull the TV completely out of his house like we did. Let him tell his wife that he is leaving her to go to the NTCS because she doesn't want to "get in" or make her life so miserable that she leaves him like so many other NTCCer's have done before. Sure this guy has it good because he has never genuinely followed the NTCC rules and anyone else who has it good in the NTCC doesn't and hasn't followed the rules either to include the Kekels and the Davis'.

How can you NTCCers, who claim to be Christians, live such hypocritical lives while claiming you are a part of some great spiritual organization knowing what I write is totally true? I don't know how you guys do it? Where in the world is your conscience? Do you even have one? The only reason you stay with the NTCC is to save face or because you are too blind and brainwashed to face the facts. I don't care how the NTCC has changed or if it's getting quote, "better". You guys who've been around the NTCC for a while know how it used to be or have you forgotten so quickly? At a minimum, (if I were an NTCCer) I would have no faith or trust in guys like Davis, Olson, Jones and Ashmore.

Well I live a good life now since I've left the NTCC, and do you call that being cursed? You decide.

Jeff

The NTCC Promotes Poverty & Free Loading

Helen Ashmore posted a testimony on her blog from an NTCCer who spoke about being essentially broke just two weeks prior to conference. According to the written testimony, this person prayed not only to receive enough money for conference but also to have enough money for a flight rather than (I would assume) to drive. This whole mindset comes from thorough brainwashing resulting in someone thinking it's normal to act like a BEGGAR. Let's analyze this situation for a moment.  

 The reason I said the person was essentially broke is because in my book, if you don't have the money for airfare to attend an event just two weeks out, you are in deed broke. There is no reason that you should even consider attending such an event if you can't afford to get there with (listen to this) YOUR VERY OWN MONEY THAT YOU HAVE EARNED WORKING ON A JOB! If this person didn't have the money just two weeks out then someone had to give them, or loan them, the money. I'm not going to beg, borrow or take a handout to go on vacation because no doubt that is exactly what happened. I can just see it now. "Oh I sure do wish I could take a flight to conference sister, but it's just two weeks out and we still don't have the money". Then the whole time at conference, "Boy we sure would like to go out to eat and fellowship but we just don' have the cash. Oh thank you so much for the money; you sure are a blessing".  

You're not being a blessing; you just enabled a beggar looking for a handout or a loan, who has not yet learned to create their own wealth and savings. There is nothing wrong with helping out a brother or a sister but chances are this person is broke because they spend too much time in church trying to follow the NTCC system, and not enough time working at a decent job. The Bible says if a man doesn't work he ought not to eat. Don't get mad at me, I didn't write it. I'll take it a step further. If you are working and you are still broke, you either have the wrong job, or you are not working enough, or you didn't get a good enough education (like Grant Kekel is getting) to get a good enough job. I don't blame the Kekels a bit. Yeah it's a double standard but at least he is setting it up so his son doesn't have to run around broke and he'll have the skills to earn "enough" of his own money.

Back to the original topic.

Then next thing you know people are feeling sorry for them because they've been running around poor mouthing everybody and people start paying for their dinner. If you don't clearly have the extra money factored in your budget TWO MONTHS out (say no less two weeks out) to attend conference, than you have no business planning to go you bum. You see the NTCC teaches this stinking way of thinking. Why can I say that positively? Because Helen Ashmore posted this testimony like it's some kind of badge of honor to have to pray to attend conference just two weeks out from the event because you are essentially broke. You've got no business going to conference. The only conference this broke person should be attending is a conference on how to get a job that allows them to earn enough money and save enough money so they don't have to look for a handout every time their church conference comes around.

I wouldn't even want that testimony posted nor would I want to give it. Knowing and understanding what I know now, I'd be ashamed. And not only that I wouldn't want or even take a handout so that I could go on vacation or to conference or whatever you want to call it. The problem here is that the NTCC teaches that there is nothing wrong with being broke and in fact, historically it's been encouraged that people quit their jobs so that they could attend conference. RWD spoke of it openly one conference that I attended and I heard him plainly. That is what RWD said but I say, "If you are a minister and you are too broke to go to conference than you need to spend less time in church and more time at work with a real job." If you are a church member the same applies. Stop hoping and praying for a handout, or for money to fall from the sky, and spend more time looking and searching for a better job.

I hate this mentality that so many NTCCers possess. It's the free loading, poor-man looking for a handout mentality, and it stinks. The wife of an NTCC overseer (namely Helen Ashmore) is clearly promoting this mentality just like RWD has all along. Once again, there is nothing wrong with helping out a brother or sister, but if they are too broke to attend conference using their own money, then they need to spend conference time looking for a better job or working at the job they have.  

Jeff

Control Mongers

In the previous thread Meme wrote...

Hey! I remember my boyfriend and I being told by our first pastor at NTCC that we were too young to marry at 21 and 20. They always highly incouraged/pressured/preached/taught me to go to Bible college and be a pastor's wife. I became so irritated about hearing,"when your a pastor's wife", that I finally told the pastor's wife, "I am not going to be a pastor's wife"! They even tried to hook me up with a bible college brother of my same race. Probably a coincidence that he was the same race, and I did entertain the idea, but my heart and mind were hurt. I had a great relationship with my finance at that time. He was everything that I thought a husband and future father should be for me.

I really always wanted to have an honorable big wedding with a lot of family and loved ones; you know like the fancy weddings in the bible. My mind and heart went through a lot during those times. My fiance wanted to have a secret wedding at the justice of the peace but I cared to much about what the church would think. Luckily a pastoral change took place and a whole bunch of couples took advantage of him not knowing us, and we all got married as quickly as possible. Forbid not to marry! How in the world does one thing get preached, yet they know we will obey the man who has rule over us is a stronger verse, and they will control members decisions but hey; don't forget, that it is biblical. They also know they are going to get members burning in lust, and feeling low and miserable as failures to God. That must mean a lot if your own pastor won't bless your marriage. I am incredibly grateful for my many years of marriage to my incredibly loving husband. I am free, because I can easily forgive NTCC, but somehow my life all in all has turned out good. My husband also persuaded me to break some NTCC rules and have fun sometimes, you know bowling, dvds and internet so we could communicate sometimes. Now I don't even feel tormented about going to the movie theater and if we decide the movie is inappropriate, we simply walk out. It's my perrogative I can do what I want to do, and I serve God.

Thank you mighty God!

Jeff said...

It was certainly not a coincidence that the marriage that they tried to put together were with you guys being the same race. The NTCC strongly taught against interracial marriages because they said it would run people away from their church but they regularly allowed abusive pastors to continually run people away from their church. The lesson to be learned is that you don't ever allow some crooked pastor to rule your life and if he tries you simply leave the church.

Hmmmmmm....

Pastor Kekel wrote on the bottom of his blog that people have the right to copy anything they want from his blog. If he really means it, that is a step in the right direction. If you don't feel you are writing anything wrong than what is there to hide? Trying to hide information is a classic cult practice. Just imagine Peter, Paul, John and James forbidding people to make copies of their material. There'd be no Bibles. If your really believe that what you are writing is good news, what difference should it make if someone copies it? Whether or not is really is good news is a whole different matter but if your intent is right concerning what you write, who cares if someone copies it.

You can copy this whole blog if you want. I write what I mean and I mean what I write. I got nothing to hide. I fix grammar and spelling mistakes but for the most part (by far) I don't regret what I write. I think Pastor Kekel will try to make even more changes within the NTCC when old RDub kicks the bucket. Hopefully he starts by discontinuing the requirement that NTCC people ask permission for just about everything. It's crazy that people have to send an email to Pastor Kekel requesting permission to stay with someone around Graham during the upcoming conference. That is a classic cult tactic and the NTCC would do good to discontinue that garbage.

Jeff

Happy Thanksgiving!

Come One Come All, See The Great Attraction. You Won't Believe What Your Eyes Will Behold

In the previous thread Bro Johnson asked...

Once again I am wondering why Conference is being held in Graham.

Jeff said...

Because they are making a push to promote life in Graham and promote the seminary. Tours and information packets for potential students? What? What? What? That says it all right there. Because it will save you money with an asterisk next to it? Look at Pastor Kekels website and pay attention to the little asterisk next to "saving money". It's like a little sneaky used car add where they say "reliable cars with a asterisk" and then next to the asterisk, "AS IS NO WARRANTY". Save who money? The people who live there? Here is what the asterisk points you to: "Lodging arrangements are the responsibility of attendees; information about local hotel accommodations will be available on request"

How in the world is that going to save you money? The people who live in Graham will save money.

Boy, Brother Johnson really hit on something with this one. Workshops, (hence the little picture) tours of the Graham compound and a chance to visit the church in Graham hey? How come Jesus wasn't mentioned under the what and why? Because it's not about Jesus which I've been saying all along. What a complete, brainwashing, mind molding, money making, push to more further indoctrinate the unsuspecting. Because it's going to be awesome?

If I were there, the one awesome part would be the medicine prescribed to stop me from perpetually throwing up. Boy the light becomes brighter every day. Once I think I've seen it all yet another surprise from the NTCC leadership. This conference is no more than a push to bring more people up to Graham Washington and I'm not just talking about seminary (I mean cemetery) either. They want people to think that Graham is just the greatest place on earth, so much so that the people will move there because here is the deal.

If the old cemetery don't work out, now these folks live in Graham where they can be controlled and more effectively brainwashed. That is exactly why the NTCC leadership always tries to bring ministers back to Graham. To try and regain control of their mind. Because the NTCC knows that if they leave Graham or don't come back to Graham, they will likely leave the NTCC altogether. This is no more than a ploy to get people to Graham and to get them to think that the NTCC is such a great organization.

It's also a chance to put more money back into the Graham community when people move there. You see when someone pays tithes or makes offerings in Graham, the NTCC leadership has leverage of all of it, not just the percentage that the pastors send from other states. The NTCC must keep a reasonable population present at Graham because population means revenue. RWD houses keep tenets. $ The dorm stays full. $ Classes are taught to more students which means more money coming in from each class. $ More people work for the NTCC guys who have businesses which means more money is being made and more tithes are paid. $ If you rent one of RWDs houses, pay tuition, pay tithes, give offerings, make pledges, drive your car to pick people up for church which burns your gas and puts miles on your car, then buddy every dime you make ultimately winds up back into the NTCC. Yeah I know you keep a little chump change, but it doesn't compare to the money that you put back into the NTCC when you live in Graham while renting one of RWDs houses while you are attending cemetery otherwise know as the school of rules.

Long story short: This conference is no more than a big propaganda push to get people to Graham and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat.

Jeff