Some People Wouldn't Recognize The Truth If It Knocked Them Right In The Head

Jeff said...

Bro Bellamy is quite the thought provoking writer.  His points are all valid and his questions legitimate.  Any sincere hearted Christian should give Bro Bellamy's questions some serious consideration.  If pleasing R.W. Davis and M.C. Kekel is more important to you than pleasing God and loving your neighbor, only you will know.  For those of you who are trying to make to heaven,  you may very well not be heading in that direction if pleasing the NTCC leadership is more important to you than pleasing God, and God does know.   Being a company man ain't going to get you to heaven.

On the previous thread, Bro Bellamy wrote... 

It is very interesting that no one from NTCC ever shows or proves what is being said is a lie. They may say it is a lie, but never give evidence to the contrary. They tell us to keep our mouths shut or tell us that we are filled with bitterness, but they never say here is proof.

Those of you that remain in NTCC should ask yourself a few questions.

Who are you more afraid of asking a question; the Lord Jesus or Pastor Davis or Rev. Kekel?
(Be Honest!)

Then ask youreself the question; should it be that way?

Another question to ask; Am I working and sacrificing for God or is it really because I don't want to be considered a failure by NTCC leaders?

Is my sacrifice a freewill offering to God or is it because I have heard others rebuked during conferences for loving a house, job, or family more than I love God or that they are lazy?

When I stand before God is he going to say how many people did I invite to church or is he going to say did I love him and my neighbor?

Am I saved by my works or am I really saved by grace?

Read, study, and pray about Acts chapter 15.

Many of us that post on this blog have forgiven any wrong we received from NTCC. But I am beginning to undersatand that forgiveness does not mean keeping our mouths shut.

I was praying the other day and I told God that I was angry, but I was going to work out that anger then and there. I told God that much of what I was angry about was difficult to put in words and he helped me.

I was angry that I allowed NTCC to teach me to distance myself from my family, I was angry because I left God's grace and love and replaced it with works, I was angry because I have found it so hard to relate to others because I had become a Pharisee, and many other things.

But now there is no anger. God is opening doors. I am shocked by all the love I am receiving from other churches. They are not the compromising devils that we have been led to believe. Many support missionaries, many have invited to take us to dinner; they want to give of themselves for others and not take. They have food banks and just want to help people and are not asking for anything in return. They volunteer and enjoy doing so. No one is telling them that they are not saved if they don't; they just love people.

One last question and I will close for now. The Bible said for us to give hoping nothing in return. Why is it that when you soul win you think of what can these people do for my church; can they pay tithe, can they become soul winners? Why are you not taught to look at each individual as a soul that may die and go to hell if they don't accept Christ?

We know how you think, because we use to be you.

Bro. Bellamy

Confused and Misguided

On the Reeds blog, Theresa Jeter wrote...

This is truly sad and hurtful. I admire people who leave NTCC and never say a negative word about the church or its leaders. But no, most of you have to leave, hook up with other disgruntled people and run their mouth. There is no excuse for that and it effects innocent people like L.C. who does not know our leaders to know any better. I am shocked, hurt and ashamed of you for what your doing.
Sis. Jeter

Jeff said...

The fact that Sis Jeter made the comment was truly a shame and it was laden with yet more NTCC style double standards.   I wonder how many times Sis Jeter wrote RWD,  Kekel, Olson or any other NTCC pastor a letter condemning them for smearing and discrediting countless people who have left the NTCC?   Do you think she has ever written RWD even once?  Fat chance.  Well I've been in some of the same conferences that she has and RWD has certainly said quote "NEGATIVE" things about people who have left the NTCC.   I specifically remember what RWD said the very conference following the Taylor's departure.  "They loved their house more than they loved God".  Well what kind of crap is that?   Did you ever hear RWD or all the other NTCC pastors smear the names of countless people who've left the NTCC?  Have you?  Well I certainly have more times than I care to remember so what in the world is the difference.  

I'll tell you the difference!!!  HYPOCRISY!!!   It's perfectly fine for the NTCC leadership to smear the names of people who've left the org, but as soon as someone who's left has one thing to say about Old Double Standard Davis, Conniving Kekel, or the NTCC ORG, all of a sudden it's quote "sad and hurtful".  I didn't see Sis Jeter or any other people who like to judge us, stand up in conference to give Old Double Standard Davis a piece of their mind while RDUB was smearing folks who left the NTCC?   Not only that, the thread where Sis Jeter posted her rebuking, wasn't anything like you find on this blog and I'm not making any apologies.  The NTCC leadership can smear the names of everyone who leaves the NTCC and I can call them a bunch of double standard hypocrites and there ain't no difference; hypocrite.  

Not only that, she said that she "admired  people who left the NTCC and "NEVER" say a negative word about the church or it's leaders?    ARE YOU SERIOUS?  REALLY?  ARE YOU KIDDING?  Typical NTCC garbage. NTCC pastors can air everyone's dirty laundry anytime they want but God forbid someone do it to them.  The NTCC is so messed up it's unbelievable.  The NTCC has more double standards than Mike Tyson has punches.  The Kekels son is attending a Catholic Secular College and the Kekels are still in charge even after Old Double Standard Davis stood up in conference saying that if your kid didn't attend the NTCS you were a failure as a Christian parent?   He talked about how great is was that someone's kid was attending the NTCS and there is no telling how many times he dogged out the Catholic church, and his own grandson not only ISN'T attending the NTCS but he is attending a Catholic College?   Are you serious?  Shocked, hurt and ashamed? I'm shocked, hurt and ashamed that I was ever associated with the New Testament Church Cult period and I'm also ashamed that I was ever associated with RWD, the abusive, double standard, hypocrite jerk.  

So it's ok for the NTCC leadership to get a free pass to talk and preach about people who leave their cult but it's not ok for us to do the same about them after we leave?  Stop being a bunch of judgmental hypocrites and maybe well stop quote, "hooking up with other disgruntled people and running our mouths" like you just did Sis Jeter.   It is what it is.   If you don't want to play with the big dogs you better stay on the porch.   You see how I just talked/wrote?  That is exactly how RWD and his pastors talk about people who leave the NTCC; real hard and strong and they don't make any apologies regarding their approach and I'm not making any either.   The days of me getting rebuked by people in the NTCC are done.   Jesus let the Pharisees have it and I let the NTCC Pharisees have it also.  

Additionally, I think this blog is the place to hash this kind of thing out.  The Reeds are trying to keep this kind of thing down on their blog which is why I didn't attempt to post my response there.  So there you have it.  The Reeds were expected to just quietly leave the NTCC and "keep their mouths shut" like good little boys and girls.  Don't rock the boat little Johnnie and be a good little boy.  NOT!  

Jeff 

A Minister Leaves The NTCC

Reasons for a Minister's resignation from New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.

In the past weeks I have been struggling to move on with my life and with God’s grace He is helping me. For people I have been associated with for almost my entire adult life I can’t simply walk away from. I am writing this letter to be as much for myself as for others. Rev Olson asked me to explain my resignation, and in answer, I replied that I rather not talk about it. I was in a quandary as far as what to say, so I said nothing. He asked me if he did anything to harm me, and I said he had not, but on the contrary, Rev Olson has been a blessing to me and my family as much as he could.

The Bible tells us that if we have ought against a brother, go to them and attempt to reconcile. What if, you have ought against an institution? Against an organization? Well below I listed the reasons for resigning from New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc.:

Debt Teaching: The Bible teaches that we should owe no man anything. The teaching I have received in NTCC is to make exceptions to this teaching, for houses and cars. A teaching against the word of God?! I understand mortgages and “agreements” to drive a car, but to teach it from the pulpit? To understand it, does not condone or encourage it. How many slaves to the bank continue today?

Business of the church: When Jesus said that He was to be about His Father’s business, was a 12 year old telling his parents that he must pursue God’s will. Was he talking about bank deposits and balancing books? Hardly. The Bible does tell us that a bishop is a manager of sorts, but taking a verse out of context is clearly unhelpful. A church is a place of healing and a springboard to launch people into their own ministry.

Pursuit of Real Estate: Where in the New Testament did Christians seek to own property? Never, and the only reference is the man who couldn't come to the feast because of his land purchase. Empire building? Where is that in the plan of God? Many other churches rent buildings and prosper, without compromising their message. They can focus on other things, the more needful things.

Emphasis on church numbers: Never taught in the New Testament and David was condemned for counting the people in the Old Testament. True, numbers of converts were noted in the Book of Acts, but was it the measure of success? If numbers are the standard for success then Noah is failure as is our Lord, ending His earthly ministry with only a handful? Far from it. I am not doing away with goals and striving for the mastery, but I have been taught there is not an alternative for success. At least, from NTCC, but from the Bible tells me otherwise.

Lack of Fellowship: Where are the fellowship meetings? The reason given was because of the crazy things being preached at the monthly gatherings. So we cannot trust a seminary-trained, licensed minister to feed us spiritually? Really?

Stove-piped churches: The admonition to not be nosy into what other churches are doing is fine, but somehow a paranoia seems to have been built up. Few call each other and fellowship among brethren suffers. Yes, we should be careful, but encouraging ministers to fellowship even through phone at least at a limited amount would be that harmful? Among brothers? Ministers? What are we? Christians? Ministers?

Children – The organization is simply not friendly to children. Perhaps this came from the Serviceman's Home ministry. I cannot be an effective minister with kids? That is impression I get. 

Pharisaical Teaching: The Bible says modest apparel. What is the difference between Rabbis dictating what is “work” on the Sabbath and regulations on what exactly to wear? No, I am not, writing this point so my wife can wear pants. She is still wearing skirts and will continue to do so because of personal example.

Fasting: God gave us the fast, noted in Isaiah, Jesus fasted, AFTER being baptized in the Holy Spirit, Jesus said, “When” you fast and the church leaders did it in the Book of Acts. So, teaching that fasting is no longer needed is clearly not Biblical. If God gave fasting to us, your teaching takes it away?

Prosperity Gospel: If you are rich, be rich in good works. Right? Where in the New Testament will God make you rich? Persecution is certainly promised and is a mansion in heaven to the Christian. Are most of the members in the organization disobedient to God and the fruit of that is their middle-class or below status? I don't care how much someone has, as long as they have enough to feed themselves.

Forgetting the poor: Paul was mindful of the poor, as was the church in Jerusalem. I am only one person, but I can make a small difference. Yes, Jesus said you have the poor with you always and I agree, but He was teaching on priority, not exclusion. Priority is God, in all things, but what does James say about pure religion? Visit the widow? And to extend help? Tell them be warmed and fed? On a personal note, I have been the recipient of gifts from individuals in the past, of which I am grateful. The system on the other hand is not Biblical.

Shunning: The Bible clearly states cases for shunning: covetous, fornication, etc. So, which of these am I guilty of? The Bible says for those of you that are spiritual; restore a brother found in a fault. Where is the restoration, or at least the attempt? Is anyone spiritual?

I wrote Rev Olson a letter just before I resigned, on my frustration on the lack of growth at the church I was pastoring. Mind you, this is the context of: only big numbers mean success. I want people saved, and serving God. I am still working for God reaching the lost. What finally pushed me to decide to resign was a sad thing. In frustration, wanting to be loyal, I reach for the Bible school notes for solace and aid. I read, that the reason the church was not bigger was because of me, after all I am the preacher. What could I have done better? I could, as all of us, squeezed out an extra 10%, maybe. It wasn't because I didn't give, I gave all, and only God and my wife know the extent of it. People left the church because they moved away, or got jobs or hate the Bible, so which is one should I shoulder?

So here I was, I had gave all, and a failure, according to NTCC standards. There has to be something better. There is. God’s grace is sufficient.

I told Rev Olson I would not burn any bridges, in reference to my exit. I no longer know what that means. I am not bitter and I earnestly want my brethren to prosper, but can the institution? God has blessed my family financially also during the time of my resignation, so I know God provides.

Frank Rendla
F_rendla@hotmail.com 
702-463-2643

Another True Statement, (With A Little Satire Included, Compliments of Jeffy Pooh)

This is something that I have asked one of the board members. Why would someone spend 20 years of their life with NTCC or any other church and then decide to leave? What would it take for such a drastic action? If it was only a few then you could understand that maybe they had a problem, but you must ask yourself the questions, why so many leave after 10 to 20 years? What have they seen and been through? Is it really a lie of the devil, are they really in a battle, do they all want sin, or is what is being said the truth?

 I had been with NTCC for 20 years and like so many others, I began to really look at what was being done and what was being said. You begin to see how certain ones are set up for success and others are left on their own to do everything themselves. You look and see that you have given your all to build a church, that Jesus said he would build by-the-way, and then you are still called lazy and not doing it right during conferences. You see all the time, money, and energy that you have given and find out that it is still not enough. Then God begins to deal with you about his grace, mercy, and love. And when that happens and you compare it to what you have been taught for years, your eyes are then opened. You may not know exactly what is going on, but you know that God loves you and salvation is by his grace and not of works. Understand I am not talking about going back to sin, but all the things you are told that you will do IF you are saved; all the rules... Too much of anything will hurt you physically as well as spiritually.

What does facial hair have to do with being saved and serving God?

Jeff said... Nothing but of course I almost forgot.  R.W. Davis is more spiritual than the Lord Jesus, who according to the Bible wore a beard.  We live in a different time and Jesus wouldn't wear one now either, right?  Phooey

What does video games have to do with being saved and serving God?

Jeff said... Nothing but I almost forgot. Double Standard Davis didn't have a problem with his grandson playing video games but in the NTCC, what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.  

What does being at conference have to do with being saved; most of us have supplemented the churches income to pay bills and really can't afford it?

Jeff said...   Nothing but I almost forgot.  God recently changed his mind about that one, didn't you know silly rabbit? Now you can be saved and miss conferences.  Mr. Kekel said conferences are not mandatory, (like they most certainly used to be)!  Pastors are missing them all the time now.  Kekel prayed about it and found out that it seemed good to the Lord to lighten up the standards a little bit.  He doesn't want everyone to go to hell you know.  

What does being in church 5 times a week have to do with being saved? Other than to keep you working to be saved and tired so you don't think.

Jeff said... Nothing but I almost forgot.  Didn't you read the part in the Bible where it said:  Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together at least 5 times a week but no more unless the New Testament Christian Church leadership decides for it to be so?  Silly rabbit, you must have missed that part.   Didn't you hear Davis say in conference that you are not to call Graham with money problems if you are not having 5 services each week?  I heard him, weren't you listening? That is the Biblical, excuse me, I mean (NTCC) formula used to effectively fleece the sheep. (5 SERVICES A WEEK dodo).  Do I have to tell everybody everything?  

What does soul winning at every free waking moment have to do with being saved? Also keeping you working to be saved and tired so you don't think.

Jeff said...  Nothing but I almost forgot again. It's a numbers game.  When you have a system of verbal abuse, stupid man-made rules, and bully pulpiteering techniques in place like the ones RWD taught by his very example, you have to constantly bring in new people to take the place of the ones you run off.   No wonder so many people leave the NTCC.  There is obviously no one like me available to enlighten everyone on all this stuff.  If they knew all this, they would certainly have stuck around for another 20 years. 

These have been rules even though it has been recently said that they were or are not; all of us that have been with NTCC more than a few years know the truth.

I know that we will do some of those things sometimes, but God NEVER mandated them for salvation or being right with God. Works are freewill and not mandated for salvation and being right with God. Even sanctification, which NTCC calls holiness, is on an individual bases; it is not mandated or legislated. It is between God and that individual.

I left NTCC (not God) about 3 weeks ago and I do not regret it. I really don't regret most of the time I spent with NTCC other than giving so much money to the church that I neglected my own future, but it was as unto the Lord, and neglecting my family which I am making up for now.

I have been called by many who have thought about leaving NTCC or that have already left in the last few weeks. God has dealt with them about his grace, mercy, and love and when that happens it will not be long until they also will say that they and NTCC no longer agree.

I was a big defender of NTCC like so many others here, but after the years begin to pass, you see what is going on.

There is a reason why they tell them not to read blogs like this. They realize that if others share what is going on in their life then they can no longer say that it is a lie of the devil or the person is just in a battle. There are TOO many witnesses.

Bro. Bellamy

The Company Man

While in Columbus Georgia, Pastor J. Hunt stood up in the beginning of service proudly proclaiming his allegiance to the New Testament Christian Church and more accurately to R.W. Davis.  He boldly stated and I quote, "I'm A Company Man".  He then reaffirmed, "That's right, I"m A Company Man and Proud of it." 

At the time, his statement didn't quite register with me even though it did seem rather strange that he would make such a bold proclamation and it did stick with me.   Certain statements that NTCC pastors made over the years did stick with me and that was one of them.   It was right after the split and at that time, Hunt wanted everyone under the sound of his voice to clearly understand where his allegiance lay.   Well now, I clearly understand where their allegiance doesn't lay...    With God!!!

You see it's impossible for someone who not only to swears allegiance to a corporation/church but to a man, to remain loyal to God and able to listen and heed to Godly convictions.   You just can't do it.  At some time a church will fail, (which the New Testament Christian Church has done quite miserably) and man will fail (as did RWD so miserably).   So what you have a person (like J Hunt) and other pastors in the NTCC who I won't mention, who turn a blind eye to all the double standards, hypocrisy and treachery perpetuated by the NTCC and why?  Because they are no longer loyal to God, (if they ever were) but they are loyal to a corporation and a corporate owner who in this case is the New Testament Christian Church / R.W. Davis and they proudly proclaim their loyalty by saying, "I'm A Company Man."     I thought they were supposed to be God's man but they are not because you best believe that the NTCC isn't God's church.   

This is why guys like Hunt and Kinson get so upset when you say a single word against RWD.  Guys like this no longer possess the ability to think logically.  They really don't.  RWD could murder someone right in front of them and they would somehow figure out a way in their mind to justify his actions.   This is how they justify all the double standards which so obviously and clearly exist within the NTCC. 

I told Hunt and his wife exactly what I thought about the NTCC not too long ago right in the main lobby of the Main PX at Ft. Benning.   I told them how RWD and the NTCC has wrecked the lives of so many young children and adults by insisting that they attend the NTCS while simultaneously condemning secular college attendance.  I said that RWD and Kekel were hypocrites in that Grant Kekel was attending a secular Catholic college when previously that kind of stuff was openly condemned.   Do you know what Hunt's wife said? She said,  "Pastor Davis has admitted that he made mistakes and he openly apologized to everyone during the last conference".   Really?  Are you serious?  So that makes it all better?  Are you kidding me?  

You wreck the lives of countless people depriving them of any chance of a real education and in some cases even promoting that they quit high school and write it all off as "Pastor Davis has admitted that he made mistakes"?    Are you serious?   People like this are Company Men and a Company Women and they aren't even close to being saved according to the King James Bible that we all read.   If you are a company man or a company woman, there is one thing for sure that you are not!!!!  God's man or woman.  

Jeff  

The Big Smoke Screen

My wife and I were recently discussing the group of New Testament Christian Churches we were part of in Western Georgia and Alabama.  Before fellowship meetings ceased, there would be monthly get togethers between churches in those two states.  If  you went on the NTCC's official website, and you pulled up Georgia and Alabama, you might think, "Wow, the NTCC has a whole bunch of churches in those two states".  Well let me give you a breakdown, based upon what existed around the time of our departure in 2008.   

Columbus GA, Phenix City, AL had a small group of church members totaling not even 10.   Yeah they may have gotten a visitor here and there but there was no more than 10 people who came regularly.   I'm sure Hunt has boosted the numbers since Oberhauser, (who failed miserably) left, and that would no doubt make Phenix City the largest church I'm sure out of the churches I will mention.  Of course the fact that it's near a military installation doesn't hurt.  The NTCC isn't too bad at conning young impressionable, gullible servicemen. 

Montgomery AL was originally run by pastor Hunt who left Columbus GA to go to Montgomery because he said that God never called him to Columbus in the first place but then he left Montgomery to go back to Columbus because Oberhauser was failing miserably and I would guess that God changed his mind.   Who knows what is going on now in Montgomery but if all the rest of the churches in this area are any indication, I wouldn't guess much.  

Atlanta GA (Tucker) was failing so miserably that no one was even coming to fellowship meetings any more. Since then the pastor had to move out of the store front that he'd occupied for around 9 years and move back into a hotel room.  Mayers took a church that was pushing nearly 100 in 2003 and he ran it down to basically nothing.  He also ran off all his helpers.   Now he has only two services, one of which doesn't even start till 1230 on Sunday.  

Macon GA was a debacle ran by a guy who initially partnered up with another minister but then they split away from each other almost immediately for reasons unknown (to us anyway).  I witnessed RWD talking to the pastor like he was a child one evening in Columbus GA and the pastor frequently talked about how he was struggling.  Who knows if that has changed but I doubt it.  

Dothan AL was ran by a nice guy who back in the day was also having significant struggles.  He got openly reproved by LD Jones during a fellowship service in Columbus because the guy was testifying about how he didn't even know where the money would come from to keep the lights on.  LD Jones said that God was bigger than that.  Sounds like a thriving church hey?   The fact that they didn't have money probably resulted in them being a whole lot more spiritual than those crooks in Graham. 

Birmingham AL had experienced a period where they were going through pastors like some people change socks.  Every time you turned around the helper was becoming the pastor.   Rev Bentley also wound up in Birmingham as a helper because he got sick of being in Atlanta. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out why?  Then he left Birmingham to pioneer a church , guess where?  Back in Atlanta not terribly far from the pastor he'd left who was still in Atlanta doing basically nothing.   Sounds like a spiritually thriving area, hey? 

Atlanta GA (Smyrna) is being run by a real nice guy (who I already mentioned) who circumstantially (the last time I knew) was still single and who left Atlanta GA (Tucker) not too many years ago.  Now he is being helped by a guy who also left from guess where?  Atlanta GA (Tucker).  The fact is, those two guys may wind up doing more for God than anyone else in that whole area.   They both had enough back bone to leave the same church and move on to bigger and better things.  They really might be able to do something for God if they'd leave the NTCC all together.   Unfortunately I don't see that happening but I have seen stranger things.  

Well there you have it people.  Can you spell, dysfunctional"?  To make a long story short, the New Testament Christian Church is doing a whole lot of nothing.  It's a big smoke screen.  

Jeff 

Happy Memorial Day

Our Servicemen and Women have sacrificed greatly so that we can have the liberties we all now enjoy.   We have freedom in the United States.   I enjoy the freedom to live in my own house, take care my family the way I see fit, and look out for the best interests of my children.   My daughter will start college this year and become a full time college student just like Grant Kekel. Contrary to what the New Testament Christian Church teaches, women also have freedom in the United States.  They can vote and contrary to what RWD believes, they can share in intelligent discussions concerning elections.  Contrary to what the NTCC believes, Woman (with a capital W) are worth a whole lot more than to just cook, clean the house, raise the children, (if they are not brainwashed into not having them) and having sex.  The biblical evidence is Proverbs 31, the book and chapter that RWD absolutely can't stand unless of course it is being read by a brainwashed drone. Then RWD can make it mean anything he wants and they will believe him.  The (married Woman) in Proverbs 31 possessed the freedom to have a job and it was counted to her as righteousness and she was considered virtuous.  In the NTCC that is a novel concept. 

People have sacrificed and died so that all people in the United States can have freedom (to include women) and the NTCC leadership has done everything possible to steal those freedoms from their members. Examples:  Don't go here or else!  Don't go there or else!  Your children can't do this (even though Grant was allowed to) or else!  The only way you can serve God is our way!  It's our way or the highway!   Move "when" we tell you to move!  Stay when we tell you to stay!  Move "where" we tell you to move and if you don't like it there is the door!   Buy a house when we tell you to buy a house and sell your house when we tell you, so that you can move "when" and "where" we tell you to move.  Go to visit your family when we say it's ok, (which won't be very ofter)!  Date who we say you can date!  Visit who we give you permission to visit!  Have only the number of children at your kids birthday party that we allow!  Work the jobs that we say you can work and only work the hours that we say you can work!   If that causes you financial problems then you have the "freedom" to either walk out the door or stay with RWD's corporation, go broke, and in dept with credit problems.   

Listen people.  Take your freedom back by exercising the one freedom that the NTCC freely offers.  "If you don't like it here, there is the door."  Honor our Service Members by taking back the freedom that they sacrificed so greatly for you to have.  Take the freedom back that Jesus sacrificed so greatly for you to have.  Know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

Happy Memorial Day.

Jeff

Against The Wall

Why does the New Testament Christian Church leadership make it so difficult for BS students to date?   Why do they have to get on the wall?   Why does someone have to walk up to RWD and ask permission to just to talk to a lady?   I know the answer and it's the same answer to all three questions.  Because RWD is a control freak!!!!!! That is right, and I've said it before but I really don't think many people truly understand.   It is part of RWD's nature to get immense pleasure from people having to do exactly and only what he wants them to do.   When you don't do what he wants you to do, RWD the jerk has a history of making your life complete misery.   He has a history of acting like a spoiled brat when he doesn't get his way.   When you don't allow RWD to make a decision for you,  he'll say, "Ok decide for yourself"  but you best believe that won't be the last of it.

He'll act like a jerk every time he gets around you.  He'll act like he doesn't want anything to do with you and he'll make other demands on you that he knows you won't want to follow so he can act like an even worse spoiled brat.  Mayers, Ramirez, Hunt, Oberhauser, Kinson, Jones and Ashmore were the same way.  If you didn't agree with them or do what they asked, you could best believe you were going to hear about it via the pulpit and they would have an attitude toward you for weeks. They put on that fake smile with all the "God bless you brother's" but they just couldn't hide that attitude no matter how hard they tried and it always came out across the pulpit.  RWD is like a big kid who has control of all the toys and when you don't play HIS game his way, he lets you know it's the highway.  He might just as well say, "I don't want to play with you anymore, I'm taking all my toys and I'm going home and you can't come". 

The guy gets off on adults having to come to him and ask permission to talk to a girl.  He likes to see people openly humiliated.  He doesn't want you to have any self esteem.   And that my friends is the reason for the wall.  It's a psychological tool he uses in his game to keep control of all the players.  RWD is such a complete jerk that it's actually unbelievable.   He is like Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, and Kim Jong il all put together.  To put it plainly he is a sadistic dude and I'm not exaggerating one little bit.   

Everything he does revolves around an unquenchable desire  to be in control of other people.  The wall, the escrows, the whole dating thing, telling people to pack up and move when he knows that is not where they want to go, the way he treats women, calling folks up at 3:00am, the draws where "HE" breaks off a little money, the lodge,  people living in his houses, the private bathroom at conference, having to stand in line to wait to talk to him, the Cadillacs. He is a control freak, freaky deak, freak freaky deak.  It's true people!!!!  I'm not just dreaming this stuff up.  That is RWD in a nutshell.  You NTCC people are under the control of one of the most demented, warped, overbearing narcissists that currently walks the face of the earth.   The man I was stupid enough to once adore, I now have nothing but disdain for.  I now understand exactly who his is, and he is anything and everything BUT a Christian.  He wouldn't know what to do with himself if he couldn't control people.  He thrives on it, he lives for it.  He loves the attention, the gifts, the million "Yes Sirs",  and the people "Against the Wall".  

Jeff 

Yet Another RWD Flim Flam And The Pastor Who Got Hoodwinked

To the left is a picture of RWD taking off with all your  hard earned cash.   

Jeff wrote...

This is the type of treatment you can expect to receive from R.W. Davis, AKA (RDUB) or (RWD) if you are a pastor in the New Testament Christian Church.   

M.D. Reed a former NTCC pastor wrote....

When I arrived at the church in Killeen, TX, back in '05, I found that the buildings were dilapidated and literally falling apart! I made a call to RWD and he upbraided me, saying, all I want to do is spend money. I told him, sir, that's not true. I just see big needs down here and I want to correct them. I told him, I'll do the work, if you'll clear the expense". His statement to me was, "Well, how much money do you have in your general fund?" Well, that ended that conversation.

I was a little discouraged at this point because I was embarrassed to invite people to a place where the shingles were coming off the roofs, the parking lot was full of holes, the siding was rotting off the buildings, and the sign was falling apart and had a crooked cross on top. I was so ashamed and thought, Graham doesn't look like this.

The NTCC leaders have always taught that the churches should be an example to the community in appearance. Killeen was just flat out ugly and had been let go at this point in time. 

So when I made my next escrow deposit, I calmly asked the teller, would you please write down the balance of this account so I can check it against my books? My books said zero. She started writing and just kept right on writing! The figure that she wrote down about knocked me on my "donkey"! A little redneck lingo there for ya! She wrote down the sum of $279,000.00.

My first thought was what "your pastor" said to me on the phone, "How much do you have in your GF?" So I couldn't wait to get in my van and make the call. I said to "your" pastor", Sir, there's $279,000 in the escrow here. We could build a whole new complex. All I want to do is make some repairs. He very sternly said to me, "Reed, that's not your money." I said, Sir, I know that. All I want to do fix this church up. It's not for me.

Two years went by and one day out of the blue, I got a phone call, Reed, we're going to do some work down there. I thought to myself, this is so typical. He's got it set up that he looks like the big savior coming on the scene, and lets the local pastor know who's really in charge. I thought, well, at least the buildings are going to get fixed now.

BTW, during our time in Killeen, we did take up special offerings for a brand new piano and church sign. Many times in my infamous "career" with NTCC

Jeff said...

It's crying shame and a recurring practice for New Testament Christian Church pastors to take up special offerings for keyboards and church signs when it's been proven that substantial amounts of money exist in the churches escrow accounts.  For the record:  I don't blame the individual church pastors as long as they get a conscience sooner than later and stop doing it.  You pastors need to get control of these escrow accounts and stop allowing the NTCC leadership to motivate you to play these "crook" games. Stop bleeding your people every time you need money and start holding RWD's feet to the fire to come off the orgs cash or you should  leave.  I've read too many stories where church pastors have tried to use their church funds only to get shot down by the New Testament Christian Church leadership and more specifically RDUB the swindler.  This is why I don't blame the church pastors, but the word is out now so ignorance ain't going to work when you stand before God.  Man the most basic of fundamentals in Christianity is to love they neighbor.  How can you claim to love them when you knowingly take their money when it's not even needed? Would you want them to do that to you?  You don't think church members need money also?   What if I went to my pastor and asked for help paying my mortgage when I knew I had ten times the amount needed to take care of it?   What do you think he'd call me if he found out?   A crook and a swindler.  Well that is R.W. Davis and Kekel and Olson and the whole general board.  RDUB has taught them how to be crooks and now they think is just "good business"; well it's not.  Church members are being taken advantage of.  NTCC pastors have told me, "well  you got to have a back up fund".  Rubbish.   

Have RWD and Kekel stop living like Kings and there is your back up fund.  Sell all the RV's and drive like normal people and there is your back up fund.   RDUB is a crook.   If you've ever given money to the NTCC (like I did) for things like church signs, (like I did) then you got taken to the cleaners.  You got bamboozled, hoodwinked, and the big flim flam.  The NTCC leadership will absolutely take up special offerings and raise money to pay for expensive church upgrades when substantial amounts of money already exist in the church accounts.  

For those of you who don't understand what I'm saying let me spell it out for ya.  It's like your child coming to you and asking for yet more money to attend a field trip, when you've already given your child the money and more than was needed in the first place.  Then you give them the extra money that they asked for, just to find out that they had more than enough money which they never even used. Do you get it now?   This has happened over and over again in the NTCC.  I wrote a check for $150 to pitch in for a church sign when I now know that without doubt the NTCC had more than enough money for 1000 church signs 50 times over.  To make a long story short, they'd rather spend your money than theirs, and guys like me were stupid enough to keep kicking it out.  You are a flat out idiot if you keep giving money to the NTCC now that you know the obvious.   The NTCC leadership USES people and it's just that simple.  They'd let you give your last dime before they'd part with their millions and then they claim that it was your duty and you really should  have given more. 

The NTCC sucks.

Jeff 

Where Is Your Hard Earned Money Going?

If you read about the last ten posts on the last thread (with an open mind), you'll can get a good idea where your money is going if you are a member of the NTCC. 


I spent many years as a member of the NTCC and during that time you were absolutely directed not to spend much time with people who the NTCC leadership considered to be "sinners".   It didn't matter who it was.   If your family members were considered sinners,  you were strongly urged not to deal with them any more than you had to.   If you sent money to your quote "sinner" family members, then it was common for an NTCC pastor to say it was the same as giving money to the devil.   You were encouraged not to even deal with your "sinner" family any more than you absolutely had to.  


Well the NTCC leadership and more specifically the Davis family does not even begin to follow the same standard.   It was discovered that RWD purchased a winter home down in Arizona.  Not a big deal in itself because RWD  is a millionaire.   I know he has invested to gain his fortune but you can be certain that throughout the years the money he's accumulated to invest originally came from NTCC contributors i.e. church members.   Well here is the problem.  You give your money to the NTCC, RWD invests it to gain a fortune and then he buys property.   Should he leave his property to a "sinner" or a "saint"?   What would the NTCC teach?   I know what they used to teach because I listened contrary to Mike Kekel's popular belief.  They would teach and have taught that everything you own belongs to God and you should distribute wisely what God has blessed you with.  They wouldn't advocate leaving your worldly possessions to a family member who was considered a sinner because that would be the same as giving Gods blessings to the devil.  I'm I right?  You better believe it.  Don't insult me by suggesting otherwise.


Well back to the house.  The blogger powers that be, posted a link with a document signed by RWD showing to whom he will be leaving his big fat house in Arizona when he and Verna die.  His grandson.   Is that strange?  Of course not, unless you are a member of the NTCC and your grandson decided to attend a secular CATHOLIC college rather than the NTCS and consequently according to NTCC standards he is considered a sinner.   So where is your hard earned money going that you so unwisely give to the NTCC in tithe and offerings?  Certainly a portion of it went to an $80,000 high school education at a very expensive private academy attended by RWD's grandson.  More of your money will go to expenses which will rapidly grow at the Catholic Sinner Secular college which is being attended by RWD's grandson.  Lastly, when RWD and Verna kick the bucket, they've willed their big fat Arizona house not to their daughter who went to the NTCS, but to their grandson who is attending a Sinner Catholic College.   Go copy the links and paste them in your address bar and hit enter and you'll see.  


Just like I was, you NTCC folks are so ignorant and stupid that many of you have completely forsaken you so called sinner family members and you hardly even deal with them any longer if at all. It's clear however that RWD and Kekel have done nothing of the sort.  Not only do they deal with Grant, but they fund all his endeavors with your money and your money which RWD invests to buy houses will go to Grant when RWD dies and here is the sick part.   You are so stupid, that you deprive your very own loving children who you brought into the world just to sacrifice for the NTCC just to have it go to a "SINNER".   Knowing this, I wouldn't give the NTCC one more penny of my money.  If you have children or a wife, and you are shopping for second clothing, and going without, and driving a raggedy old car, and you are giving your money to the NTCC thinking you giving as unto the Lord?  You are an idiot and I strongly believe that God would totally agree with my assessment.  


I love my family and they get things as a result of my income.   If I knew then what I know now, the NTCC wouldn't get one dime of my money.   Are you going to fund all of RWD's grandson's endeavors while depriving your very own children?   Are you going to fund his endeavors knowing he is attending a Secular Sinner Catholic College?  


For the record I don't consider the college Grant attends a "Secular Sinner Catholic College" but the NTCC always has, and if you say otherwise you are a flat out liar and you're deceiving yourself.   I do consider it a Secular Catholic College and if you want to throw the "sinner" part in, then according to NTCC standards you'd be exactly right.


It's sickening.


Jeff

If This Isn't An Eye Opener, What Is?

M.D. Reed wrote...

When I went to the PI and RWD came for a conference, I will never forget how he and JR Ashmore laughed in my kitchen, making fun of the Steven's for all the personal money they had spent on this work and then were pulled out. My thought was what do they say about me and others when we are not around.

Jeff said...

RWD is one sick, sadistic dude. Go ahead NTCC pastors, keep spending you own money on RWD's investments. See where that gets you. I wonder if you'll think it's funny when RWD laughs at you? Most of you are too brainwashed to even recognize what is happening. You think you are sacrificing for the Lord and RWD thinks you are an idiot and he laughs at you while his organization spends your money. I've been telling you guys this for years. If I were an NTCC pastor, knowing what I know now, I'd leave with my church so quick that Jeff Gordon couldn't catch me driving number 24. Graham wouldn't get a wooden nickle out of my church or my pocket for that matter. Stevens thought he was doing something for the Lord? HA! While RWD was laughing I'm sure he was thinking he'd never spend a dime of his money like that. Suckers, that's all I can say. There will always be poor and there will always be suckers.

Jeff

The Reeds

Hey everyone: The Reeds have a blog that is open for posting. Their blog was not established for the same reason as this one and that, I totally understand and respect. Their blog is not about the NTCC. It's about the Reeds, the Lord, and what they are doing for the Lord. That is not to say the NTCC won't ever come up, but that is not why their blog still exists. I'm sure they'd appreciate some visitors and I'm also sure they'd appreciate knowing that the friendships they established over the last 25 years haven't vanished just because they've decided to attend a different church.

The Reeds didn't suggest or ask me to post this. With very few exceptions I work independently however if the Reeds asked me to take down this thread I'd have no problem doing so. My association with M. Reed is pretty much limited to the time that we both lived in the same serviceman's home back in 1985. We've talked since but certainly not often. Having said that, we definitely were good friends back in 1985 when we were both in the Military stationed together at Ft. Hood. I just thought that folks might be interested in going to visit their blog. Below is a link and I've placed a link on my sidebar as well.

http://onelessstone.blogspot.com/

Jeff

Stuck In The Middle asked Jeff...

Are you a student? Have you pastored a church? How long have you been in?

Anonymous said...

So Jeff hasn't ever pastored a church in the Org. Yet, he's heard and seen enough with his own ears and eyes. He's been a witness to the acts that have been done in the name of the Lord. He's been a member of the church under various pastors. He's been a friend and confidant to many who've shared with him their horror stories. And.. he has integrity, he's never revealed things said to him in confidence.

I was a member for 32 yrs. I've seen, and heard a lot of stuff done in the name of the Lord. The gossiping of preachers and their wives. It would hurt many if I were to reveal the things said about them in private.

My brother in-law was taken off the board during one conference, because he didn't have the numbers in his church. Another preacher too, was taken off for the same reason, but he denies it was for that reason. Rev. Davis said the board members had to be examples to the other ministers. Yet... there are men on the board who’ve never had big churches. So what was he talking about? He would have had to remove Rev. Johnson, Rev. Olson and Rev. Difrancesco, Rev. Ashmore. John was shamed from the pulpit at another conference, it was said they didn't do a thing in Panama the first time they went!
I've heard and seen things done to my brother in-law and sister that will simply make you angry. Yet, behind closed doors my brother in-law weeps and my sister holds it in. But they just over look it and cry out to the Lord. Even if they did say something about it, what do you think will be said??? Yes, it would be brought out in public and said "they that love the law of the Lord nothing shall offend them. This verse doesn't give preachers the license to bully a child of God! John and Becky know the real deal. We've had talks before where I comforted them.

This going off the subject a little. But I want to show you how they work. Now.. my sister and I have no blood sister relationship at all. It's because Mike Kekel chose to reveal some private emails between him and my husband and Rev. Olson. My sister had no knowledge of this, it wasn't her business. Yet, he said the Holy Spirit led him to show them to her. He caused discord among the brethren, which is a violation of the by laws. If he's so in tune with the Holy Spirit, why didn't he listen to the Spirit telling him not to sow discord? Hmmm or was it the flesh saying thus saith Mike Kekel, blaming the Lord? So my sister automatically chooses the Org's side. John and Becky know the injustices that have taken place. It's just too late to do anything about it now. Their service is to the work of the Lord. Maybe too, their psychologically damaged. People love their abusers and begin to protect them after awhile... aah just remembered the name Stockholm Syndrome .

People may not leave but they sit in the pews with wounded spirits. Some don't feel worthy to be preachers, because that is how you're made to feel. The preacher in Graham brought in off the field. They're preached at by Rev. Davis "how long you gonna sit here" and other messages or comments made. Don't tell me it doesn't go on cause it does! There comes a time when you get tired of hearing about how you didn't do it right. When actually you did do what was taught.

Could it be that person is not in the place where the Lord wants them? Yet, the man who told Rev. Davis where God wanted him is blamed? He is shamed from the pulpit in front of church members and made out to be incompetent. In front of other preachers he's the example or Rev. Davis tells the group of ministers how bad of a preacher they are. This was done to my brother in-law.

My blood boils at the abuse my family has taken, and there are many preachers who have left because of things done and said to them like this! How long and how much does a person have to take before they wake up and see this relationship is abusive.I have never seen a church Org. that has been so abusive such as NTCC.

So for you to say preachers aren't run off by not having enough money or not having enough members in their church, YOU MISTER are living in a fantasy world! You also, have not experienced it yet. You want to hear that Rev. Davis said to ministers "leave". He won't say it face to face, but by the actions and in the messages it is done.

I also, don't agree with what you said "that if a man doesn't want to go somewhere their okay with it"? I've heard comments made about preachers not wanting to pastor here or there, they were over looked for other appointments. What planet are you on? You are drinking too much kool-aid my friend. Unless they have a new policy, or could it be from
the blogs that's cause them to change? I think not, because of how Rev. Reed was treated. But do you think they're going to ask forgiveness of all the people they've hurt throughout the years?

I say to you, your ignoring the things that go on. The signs of various acts are plainly there, you just don't want to face the facts. Some say they would have left sooner, but it was the fear of not being able to make it without the Org. Which is a totally false lie,that was fed to us. People are serving God not trying to please a man. The burden that is released is so powerful and amazing you'll feel like your 100's of lbs. lighter. And... No, we've not turned our lives over to the devil, thank you very much. This is the bondage that keeps you there, weighted down with the thoughts of what will they think?

Speaking from the heart as one who's been there and done that!

Greetings to all, I'm still the same after all these years! It's you and me Jesus, we sure fooled them all! = )

Reposted by Jeff

All The Man Cares About

RWD is interested in keeping one type of person around his organization. Look at the guy to the left and there you have it. This explains why RWD has no problem getting rid of old timers. He likes young new fresh recruits which will say, "YES SIR" to his every whim. The most important thing to RWD is having the ability to control people. RWD expects you to allow him to talk to you any way he wants, direct you to do what ever he wants, and he expects you to follow his directives without question. This explains why so many old timers leave the NTCC. Once they get smart to his ways, they start to question RWD and he can't stand that and he won't allow it for long. He is insecure in that regard. It's a game that RWD plays. He will hit you with a directive that he knows you don't want to perform and he's already prepaired to deal with you in certain way when you don't.

He is either going to call you out directly to your face or he will blast you the first chance that he can get from behind the pulpit while you're sitting in the congregation. When RWD has decided that he no longer has use for you, he's already devised a multitude of ways to effectively run you off without actually telling you that you must leave his church. In doing so, he can save face while proudly proclaiming, "Brother or Sister so and so left the church because they no longer loved or wanted to serve God."

You see, RWD is a control monger freak!!! Being in control of people is more important to him than anything. You can be a dud but if you let RWD control you, RWD has no problem with you sticking around. You can commit adultery and RWD can let you have it but as long as you say, "YES SIR", RWD has no problem with you sticking around. You can beat children, leave your wife and find a new one, be a useless pastor (according to NTCC standards), get accused of committing every kind of abuse imaginable, run off church members one right after another and still hang around the NTCC as long as you say to RWD, "YES SIR".

The minute you don't agree with one of RWD's stupid directives is the minute that he'll figure out a way to put the screws to you. He'll wrench down the vice on you so tight that you won't be sticking around much longer if you are any kind of man or woman. I've said this in the last couple threads. He doesn't care about your soul one single bit. RWD is smart enough to know when he is driving someone away from his church, so if he really cared, he wouldn't do it, but he doesn't care!!! If he did care he'd back off you long enough for you to rethink the situation but that is not what he wants. He wants control and nothing less. He figures if he can dog you to your face or directly from across the pulpit and you still stick around, then he has you where he wants you; right under his thumb. What he is doing is what the NTCC calls an "obedience check", and Mayers used to brag about doing it to his wife.

When RWD doesn't think he needs or wants you around any longer, you are getting ready to get dogged, and if you can live with being dogged out, than RWD can live with you sticking around "HIS" organization. It's like RWD said in conference: "I was here first and if you don't like it there's the door". RWD doesn't care if you stay or go, but you better allow him to control you as long as you are in his presents. With the NTCC leadership, it's just a big psychological game. Deliberately say something stupid to someone and as soon as they get mad, tell them they need to "pray through" while making them out to be the bad guy. Mayers said that he would wake up his wife in the middle of the night around 3am just to see if she'd get up to fix him a cup of coffee. He called it an "obedience check". NTCC pastors would tell racist jokes around black people just to see if someone would get offended and then the pastor would say, "Whoso loveth the law of the Lord, nothing shall offend them".

It's just a big psychological game and RWD is the master who's taught his pastors every psychological trick in the book. These are cult tactics that cult leaders use to gain control of their people. The main objective of a cult leader is to BREAK YOUR WILL. BREAK YOUR WILL. BREAK YOUR WILL. That is what the NTCC is doing with all these stupid obedience checks. You will either let RWD break your will or RWD will run you off, plain and simple. He is a control freaky deak. He is the big freak nasty control freak. I know what I'm talking about and that is why he doesn't want women to work on a job and that is a whole different topic but it deals with the same thing. Control, control, control, freak, freak, freak. That is what the NTCS is all about. BREAK YOUR WILL. Wayne Cantrell called it a boot camp.

Jeff