Some years ago I read an article which stated that the Catholic church owns more land than any other organization in the United States of America. Sound familiar? The Catholic church is after a whole lot of property and so is Davis. The only difference is, the Catholic church has a head start on Davis. Don't they both have the same agenda? I was still with the NTCC when I read that article and it really grabbed my interest. How could a supposed "crooked" church become so wealthy? Does God reward crooks? Now I understand and it's quite simple; just like the NTCC the Catholic church gets wealthy off the backs of it's congregates, PERIOD.
Here is an excerpt from an article I read about Tithing and the Catholic Church: "Tithing occurs in a Catholic Mass directly before the presentation of the gifts for communion. Ushers will walk through the center aisle (and outside aisles if there are enough people) carrying baskets. Parishioners will then drop money or envelopes into the basket. Those with envelopes are actual members of that particular Catholic Church."
Isn't that interesting? What caught my attention is the part where it said "Those with envelopes are actual members". I know that is factual because I grew up in the Catholic Church and my parents were members, and the church gave them LARGE STACKS of envelopes for tithes and offerings. The stack of envelopes would sit on the dresser in my parents bedroom. Isn't it essentially the same in the NTCC? They may not give out stacks of envelopes (in advance) but they don't need to. The envelopes are available in the church and the pastor carefully keeps a record of who gives. Just like the Catholics, you are ONLY considered a member if you give!!!
You can commit just about any sin imaginable in the NTCC and still remain a member and or a minister or overseer and such has been chronicled right here on this blog. Homosexuality, adultery, child sex abuse and the list goes on. Stop paying your tithe and see what happens? Am I lying? If you think I'm lying, call and tell me and I'll categorically prove that my assertion is correct with irrefutable evidence.
Here's something else I read about giving money to the Catholic Church which caught my attention. "Visitors to a Catholic Mass should give money to the collection even if they are not Catholic themselves. If nothing else, think of it as tipping after a meal." Sound familiar? I've herd Davis say something quite similar in conference. Where do you suppose he learned all this? He reads just like I do.
Here is something else that was written in the article about the Catholic church. "In a way, tithing can be a benefit to your soul as being a true Christian is how you can enter the kingdom of Heaven." So the Catholics also teach that you are not "a true Christian" unless you pay tithe. All Christians pay tithe and give in the offering right?
The NTCC and the Catholic Church are full of it and the one thing they have in common is that in both churches, you aren't considered true Christians unless you give "THEM" your money. I'll tell you what the leaders in the Catholic Church and the NTCC both have in common; they are con artists and good at it.
Chief
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Never been a Catholic myself but it doesn't take a Doctorate in Theology to see the similarities. I've heard RWD refer to the Catholic Church as the Great Whore. I've heard RWD's ministers rail on the Catholic church for being a cult and worshiping Mary and other statues of saints.
RWD is greatly revered by the ntcc beguiled and misled souls to the point where men and women will do anything he says without even questioning him. If RWD says its a sin, we all know it's got to be a sin. RWD has never missed God and he has direct access to the throne room of God. If RWD told you that riding a bicycle was a sin, people would not only stop riding them, but they would destroy them so they wouldn't contribute to OPS (other peoples sins).
RWD also played the part of a Catholic Priest when he required all of the bible school students to write a "This is I" paper in which they were required to confess all of their sins to him with pen and paper. They all did it in spite of the self proclaimed Apostle's constant belittling of the Catholic church and their doctrinal requirements that their congregants confess their sins to a man.
DnA
Another similarity between the ntcc and the Catholic church is that both organizations protect and enable their sexual deviant Priests or Pastors as long as they continue to produce results $$$$. Many forms of abuse exist in both organizations and leaders are promoted in spite of their sordid past.
Leaders of both groups expect and demand mercy and forgiveness from victims of their own actions which have in many cases resulted in the destruction of years of people's lives. In turn these same leaders have shown little to no mercy towards the people they have harmed or the ones that are guilty of the same sins these church leaders have committed.
I'd have to say that in spite of all the similarities, the ntcc is a far worse organization. Many Catholics are involved in helping the poor in their communities and the Catholics give to many charities besides the Catholic church. Catholics are not run off for the way they dress or for having a TV or a Cat or facial hair. There are many Catholics who love God and their neighbors without prejudice or judgement. There are also Catholics that put ntcc'rs to shame when it comes to keeping God's commandments. Although I'm not a Catholic, I'd much rather take my chances in a Catholic church than I would in the ntcc.
They didn't have a problem sending Grant to a Catholic college. They didn't have a problem with giving that college their money. I guess they are giving money to the "Great Whore". Hypocrites. I heard the same stuff you did about the Catholic Church while I was in the NTCC. The Catholic Church is the same as the NTCC, just a different flavor with one goal in mind. Obtain your money and as much of it as possible.
Chief
Isn't it also interesting that so many churches differ drastically doctrinally but the one area they don't differ is that they don't consider you a Christian unless you give them your money? They all have no problem agreeing on that one. They debate like cats and dog but you won't find them debating on that one.
I guess that is the main act that all Christians must participate in to get to heaven. Give the church your money. They all can't be wrong, right?
Chief
You know, I can't imagine the Pope having a daughter out of wedlock, Nor can I believe that he would be forced to repent at gunpoint over adultery allegations. I kinda-sorta believe that the Pope's degrees are from accredited schools and that there is a degree of transparency in what the Church does. Do they, and have they had problems? Sure they have, and they have, and are currently paying for them. NTCC has not paid for anything that they have done, and the lives that they have helped ruin. As I've said before, In many ways being spiritually betrayed in similar to being molested. Some of the victims just quietly try and pick up the pieces, and just try and get on with their life as best they can,never talking about what happened to them while others want the person outed and on display for others to see.
I would probably shut up for good if NTCC would do the right thing, and admit that people have been hurt, and that the organization as a whole has been responsible. They need some new blood in the front office. Until then, It's business as usual.
BTW, I believe that the information concerning Lesman Contreras leaving NTCC is erroneous.
It may be? I never knew the guy. When people like MDR and Barnes leave, it's more notable in my book but of course I could be wrong. I haven't payed too close attention to any assertions that the guy left cause I didn't know him. For the record and coming from the moderator of this blog, I have no idea whether or not Les Contreras is still part of the NTCC.
I do know that I saw RWD showcase Barnes in conference. For the lack of a better way to put it, RWD basically indicated that Barnes was the greatest thing since sliced bread, the greatest preacher/pastor in the universe. Now look where Barnes is at? Gone from the NTCC like so many others.
RWD said of himself that all he did was by the direction of the Lord. I wonder if the Lord directed RWD the dupster to highlight Barnes? I didn't read about Jesus bragging about Judas before the double cross? I guess the Lord approves RWD bragging about pastors who the Lord knows are going to leave the NTCC. Actually that could be a possibility. LOL! The only people the Lord tells the great Apostle RWD to brag about are the ones who the Lord knows are going to leave. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
I can see RWD now: "Lord, why did you have me brag about that guy when you knew he was going to leave"? And the Lord said: In a deep thunderous voice, "BECAUSE THE ONES WHO LEAVE ARE THE ONLY ONES WORTH BRAGGING ABOUT".
LOL
Chief
Jeff said...
"BECAUSE THE ONES WHO LEAVE ARE THE ONLY ONES WORTH BRAGGING ABOUT".
LT said...
That is funny...
Has anything RWD said held the test of time?
"People get so used to the dark that they think it is growing brighter."~ Vance Havner
RWD is such a false prophet it's unbelievable; literately. Toward the end of my NTCC experience it became obvious that RWD's predictions were hardly believable. Half the stuff the guy predicted never came to pass or it was just flat out wrong. All you have to do is "THINK". Use the brain that God gave you. If there is one thing the NTCC is good at is teaching people to shut off their brain. The NTCC has mastered that one. The only problem is they having yet figured out how to make it permanent. If they ever do this earth will be in more trouble than it already is. Some quotes to think about.
Chief
Jeff said ""BECAUSE THE ONES WHO LEAVE ARE THE ONLY ONES WORTH BRAGGING ABOUT"."
Jeff, that is awesome! I about fell outta my chair laughing at the one.
Have a great weekend, everybody, and enjoy all the great football. The Denver/Pats game might be the most watched event of the year. Go Pats!
Thanks guys. I thought it was kind of funny myself. About time for the game.
Mark G.s comment, having a baby out of wedlock, a gun to his head amid adultery allegations? this is new. Is this true? Or just hearsay... comments please.
Pats are up by 28 at halftime...
It's time for Tebow-Time!
I BELIEVE!
Anonymous said...
Comments please.
Chief said...
There have been some allegations that RWD was threatened some years ago as a result of improprieties on his part. Some people who were around him during that time have made these assertions. Some of the statements I've heard and or read seem to be corroborated by more than one witness. Who knows and frankly it doesn't really matter. RWD has done things and said things since I've known him for me to clearly know that he is a conniving hypocrite.
Having said that there have been a handful of people who've said that RWD has a history of sexually messing around with other women since he has been married to Verna. There you have it.
Chief
Now for the Broncos, Pats game. The Patriots were simply the better team and it was clear as I watched the game. Tebow significantly helped the Broncos get the wins needed to get into the playoffs; barely. The whole story did help make for an interesting season. Now comes next year and we'll see what the Broncos can do and whether or not Tebow with even start. I suspect he will.
Whether or not God helped Tebow and the Broncos win the games they did, we can never know for sure. What we do know for sure is that they didn't win this evening but they did win a good percentage since Tebow was the starting QB. I'm not a very superstitious dude, especially since I left the NTCC. I watched too many people make false prophecies while I was in the NTCC and since I've been out. If the Lord doesn't personally tell ME something with an audible voice, (which to date has never happened) I'm not likely to make any spiritual predictions.
Now hopefully my Giants will win tomorrow and if not, life goes on. If the Giants don't win, I hope Green Bay takes it all again. I'm not a Pats fan or a 49ers and I could care less about the Houston game one way or the other.
There you have it. I enjoy football just like the Kekels. Be like the Kekels other than the hypocrite part. Don't even think about sending your children to the NTCS. Do with your kids like they did with Grant. Send them off to a REAL secular college where they can get a "REAL" education. Davis and Kekel are smart enough to send Grant off to a real college. Your kids deserve no less.
Chief
Well, the season is now over for the Broncos and Tim Tebow will probably drop out of the limelight for a little while. Today's 45-10 playoff loss is painful and will be remembered by those who love and hate Tebow and the Broncos. During yesterday's game, Focus on the Family took out an ad in which children read John 3:16. Watching this commercial made me realize that Tebow's impact on the game has gone far beyond the Football field this year. While Tebow has shown great passion for the game of Football he has also shown by his own actions that there is something much more important in life than football. What we have witnessed this year is the beginning of a great career and a change in the landscape for the NFL and the entire sports world. If nothing else Tebow has shown the world that you don't have to be a dork if you are a Christian. He has made Christianity fun and cool. He doesn't walk around in Wingtips and a white shirt handing out church cards but he does seem to put the ntcc to shame with his testimony and his works speak much louder than what most of us have seen in our former cult.
As for Tebow starting next year, I'd have to say that he has earned the starting job and I can't see Elway or Fox starting anyone else next season. They made that mistake this season by starting Orton for 5 games and paid for it with a 1-4 Record. By starting a QB that had better statistics, (Kyle Orton), but could not win meaningful games or make winning plays when the game was on the line Denver struggled before going with with a winner (Tim Tebow). Orton 1-4, Tebow 7-4+ 1 playoff win against a Pittsburgh, this is a no brainer.
Congrats to MDR on the Patriots win. They will be a force to be reckoned with and I believe that they will end up playing in this year's superbowl hopefully against the Giants, but possibly the 49'rs. Defense wins Championships and as potent as the Packers offense is, their defense is very lacking and they will be hard pressed to do any better than the Saints did against the 49'rs. They will have the elements on their side however and playing in GB will be no picnic if the Packers are able to beat the Giants today.
DnA
Don said "...There is something much more important in life than football."
There is??? ;) Just kidding!!!
Both games were spectacular yesterday. That 49ers/Saints game was awesome! I was kinda hoping that the Broncos/Pats game would have been like that, but I still enjoyed the Brady airshow. If he wins the championship game next week, he will surpass Joe Montana's playoff record for most wins.
Tom Brady is in his 12th year in the NFL and when other quarterbacks were declining, or even retired at this point in their careers, He's getting better! I could go on and on all day about this dude's accomplishments in the league, but I digress.
If the Pats play like they did last evening, the next two games, you're looking at the next Superbowl champions!
Enjoy the games today everybody!
GO PATRIOTS!
Tom Brady sets record with five first-half TD passes in 45-10 rout of Broncos...Great....more statistics for MDR to ramble on about :) lol there is always next year....
L Travis said "more statistics for MDR to ramble on about :) lol
Hey, Larry! Your right! They really should arrest Tom Brady for assault. because every time he steps on the field, he assaults the record books! Ha!Ha!
Take care my friend, and enjoy your church service this morning.
LT said...
Tom Brady sets record with five first-half TD passes in 45-10 rout of Broncos.
Chief said...
Yes Brady is a great QB but the Broncos didn't exactly look very good last night. Tebow was running around like you do playing a pickup game in high school. The Broncos looked horrible last night. I think they set a record for the most downs for negative yards. A record is a record but as bad as the Broncos looked, I wouldn't be too exited about what took place. Yeah the Broncos beat the Steelers but Big Ben spent the first part of that game limping around and throwing picks. Not only that the Broncos were at home in a very loud stadium. Hey I'm just being real.
The Pats are great no doubt but I wouldn't base that greatness on last nights game at home. If they do win their conference we will really see how good they are when they play one of the real deal big dogs. There ain't no slackers left in the NFC except just maybe my Giants and they've been looking pretty good lately. Great stuff. The Pats - Broncos game was not a good one last night. The game was over at the half which seemed fairly obvious. The closest it ever got was I think 14 to 7 and the Broncos weren't looking to good at that time either. They looked bad on offense and defense.
Chief
Chief said:
"as bad as the Broncos looked, I wouldn't be too exited about what took place. Yeah the Broncos beat the Steelers but Big Ben spent the first part of that game limping around and throwing picks."
DnA said:
The Broncos did look bad, but as a Broncos fan there is much to be excited about. A team that was 4-12 last year, hadn't made the playoffs in 6 years and got off to a 1-4 start this year, they found a way to get into the second round of the playoffs. As for Big Ben, he always plays injured and throws interceptions. Denver and Tebow had a spectacular game against the Squealers but fell apart against the Patriots. Tebow is not surrounded by a very talented group of players and doesn't have great stats but neither did Elway. He'll get better as time goes on and if that happens the Broncos will improve.
As for the Patriots? They don't show any sign of slowing down. They are on a roll, the hottest team in the NFL right now. I think the Giants might surprise everyone today and go on to face the 9'ers in the NFC Championship game. Either of those two teams could be a spoiler in SB 46. It should be an exciting year!
DnA
MDR said:
"Don said "...There is something much more important in life than football."
There is??? ;) Just kidding!!!"
DnA said:
They are combining football and God now at the camp ground. MuCK said to "bring your frisbee's, footballs and volleyballs", (they now have a permanently installed net), and by the way "We are also going to have church". They've replaced God with sports. Bunch of Hypocrites!
Congrats Jeff, so far. G-men and Eli are looking Rock solid. If the New York football Giants win this, they will be hard to beat. 20-10 second half is starting now. I like the way that dude that sacked Rogers did the discount double check right in front of the Packers. Hope they send the Packers Packing.
Well the Giants won. Now is another tough one. San Fran is playing real good. This is just like old times when Montana was playing against Simms. That was some good football in those days. The 49ers won a bunch of Super Bowls and the Giants won a couple. I remember those games. That was back in the Marino and Elway days. MDR and Don know what I'm talking about.
We are getting old guys. Thank God we got our lives back from the NTCC criminals. They sure do take advantage of young GI's. Bunch of crooks.
Chief
Jeff said "Thank God we got our lives back from the NTCC criminals."
Spot on, Jeff! All I can say is, what a wonderful weekend with my family! I have a Great God, Great Family, Great Friends, and Great Football. Life just doesn't get any better than this!! And all this is on the outside of ntcc. Wow!
Have a wonderful week, everybody.
mdr
I think I can see a Giants/Pats super bowl rematch in the making!?!
The more I read what the word really says the more I'm amazed at how messed up the ntcc is.
1 Peter 5
1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for (filthy lucre,) but of a ready mind;
3Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
4And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.
"The role of a shepherd is just as important today (if not more so) than it was yesterday and certainly the qualifications for one called by God as a shepherd or overseer has not changed at all. A shepherd must be selfless, willing to put the needs of the sheep well above his own. His primary concern should be that of the sheep in nurturing, protecting and caring for their needs. Any man/woman called by God into this position has a great responsibility to fulfill the obligations thereof in lovingly tending to the sheep for The Father loves his flock, thus an appointed “shepherd’ must genuinely love the flock as well. The shepherd is not called to be served, but called to SERVE; he is not called to be fed by the sheep but called to FEED the sheep. Therefore, it is not the responsibility of the sheep to tend to the shepherd’s needs in protecting him, but the responsibility lies upon the shepherd in protecting and tending to them. Thus the shepherds MUST “Feed The Flock of God” out of OBEDIENCE to The Lord God, out of LOVE for Yeshua’, out of genuine LOVE for the sheep."~Reyes
I'm even more amazed with all this information on the internet that there is anyone left in that life sucking organization.
RW used to teach us that the only churches (other than NTCC, naturally) that had the right form of church government were the Mormons and the Catholics,and he specifically said that in NTCC, he fulfilled the role of pope. Well, he sure acted like one of the old corrupt Roman Catholic popes, so I guess they were his role models. And with regard to tithing envelopes, they passed them out by the bundle, and like your dad, I always had a stack at home ready to funnel my hard earned and meager cash to the bloated machine and it's scheming ruler. But like you said, "thank God we got our lives back from the NTCC criminals." I use my money for more productive and rewarding things today.
Today I met a lady in the PX with a long dress, no makeup or jewelry. I asked her what church she was with and she named an unfamiliar "holiness" church that WASN'T the NTCC. When I asked her what church she was with, a big smile came to her face as though a badge of honor accompanied her answer.
It became clear to me when she said "holiness" that people in churches like hers and the NTCC equate "holiness" to a standard of dress. They claim they are different but nothing really differentiates them from other churches other than the way they look and or dress.
The truth is, had she invited me to her church I wouldn't have touched it with a ten foot pole. I'm not impressed with a long dress, plain face and little or no jewelry. The most gossiping, busy body women I've ever met in my life were wives of NTCC pastors and ministers. Davis' wife is probably the worst of them all, with the long dress, plain face and little or no jewelry. The outside isn't indicative of what's within. NTCC women felt they were God's gift to women and it showed in their attitude with the way they looked down on other women. If Tanya Kekel or Verna now look my wife up and down I'd ask them what in the world were they looking at?
They can keep that mess. I'm not impressed by some haughty women who's all proud of herself cause she wears a dress. I can't speak for the Lord but I strongly suspect that stuff doesn't impress him either.
Chief
Chief, I could not agree with you more. The NTCC Graham church places way too much emphasis on the way in which a woman dresses, if you don't wear the dowdy eighties clothes and long hair with the swept up bun on the top of your head you where not "one of them" and let me tell you, you where treated as such as well. I cannot tell you how many times I said to myself, I can't where this, it is way to showy, I mean a animal print or something the least bit stylish, I just felt frumpy is what I needed to dress like to be like them, but do you know something, most of them still treated me like a outcast, for over 10 years I might add. God help them, that is how they are taught, and then their husbands probably tell them, "tone it down". Only Tanya appeared to have any sense of style, rich folks can afford it.
Overweight or skinny, it's like when the women joined the NTCC church they just lost all sense of themselves including style. Why is that? Is it bible school?, I think it is sad. I think most women reading this can relate to what I am saying, even it they are still attending.
Anonymous said...
Chief, I could not agree with you more. The NTCC Graham church places way too much emphasis on the way in which a woman dresses
Chief said...
You are absolutely right and I know why. It's because R.W. Davis is a male chauvinist pig. He really has a problem with women and that fact is quite plain to see. Women in the NTCC get treated like crap and I know why RWD instituted that mess. Listen to what I'm saying people and this is not just some ridiculous theory that I have.
It's like a horse that you are trying to break. You have to break their will to resist. You keep riding them and riding them and riding them until finally they loose their will to resist and that is exactly the same way the NTCC breaks women. Every form of self individuality is taken from women in the NTCC. Treat them like second class humans, tell them what they can wear, tell them they can't work, suggest that they shouldn't even participate in conversations with men, have them sit on the opposite side of the church in conference, and to top it all off, have them do every kind of menial task you can think of around the house. I've seen them clean the underside of a drawer and fold the towels like they are privates in basic training. I personally watched an NTCC pastor jump all over his wife because she didn't fix his sandwich correct. I mean he got on her real hard. She needed to tell him to get his tired butt up and fix his own sandwich if he was going to talk to her like that. That guy was a straight up jerk and for no reason what so ever. He talked to her like a Private in basic training.
R.W. Davis has categorically taught that his pastors should break the will of the women in their congregations. Especially the ones who have a degree and or a profession. NTCC pastors have a history if riding rough shod over women who are Officers in the Military. NTCC pastors are intimidated by educated professional women. They will ridicule, put down and dog these women in a deliberate attempt to break their will and this has lasting psychological effects on these women. They get psychologically scared and damaged for life.
I've talked to plenty of women who've left the NTCC who are still messed up even decades later by the shenanigans and the abuse that they endured at the hand of some unqualified, abusive, jerk of an NTCC pastor. Got a phone call from another exNTCC women just a couple days ago. She is still messed up by the NTCC over TWO DECADES after she left. Her pastor belonged behind bars because he was an absolute menace to society and there are a whole lot more just like him where he came from. I can't stand the NTCC.
Chief
I've written this time and time again. Davis' definition of what a woman should be is in sharp contrast to Proverbs 31. The picture painted in Proverbs 31 shows a woman who makes "IMPORTANT" decisions and works while making money for her family. She actually leaves the house to do it. The Bible says that she makes deliveries to the merchants. THAT IS A JOB AND ONE WHERE YOU LEAVE THE HOUSE.
Davis is full of it when he says that it is unlawful for a woman to work outside the home. Either Davis is right or Proverbs 31 is right but they can't both be right because they totally contradict each other. If you want to be a Christian, I'd trust the Bible not some con artist like RWD the Dupester.
Chief
Chief, I did notice that while attending the Graham church, none, I repeat, none of the women looked to be genuinely happy. You can tell when someone is happy, it radiates from the individual. The women live so oppressed. no wonder they look miserable. No wonder Kekel would say "its fun to be a Christian" almost like a pep talk...
I am so glad I am out of there. I made these observations in my mind but did not voice my opinion to others. Even the newlyweds didn't seem happy. Probably because, once married, they found out what it was really like to be married to a NTCC minister or bible school student. They probably did not even know each other, according to what I have heard the only conversation you can have is "on the wall".
Some of the ladies even look sickly, not underweight sickly, but stressed out sickly. I feel sorry for them. I pray they get out too.
just another xer.
"...if you don't wear the dowdy eighties clothes..."
You mean the 1880s, right?
You women in the NTCC are getting duped.
ic said...
You mean the 1880s, right?
Chief said...
Ha. I was thinking the same thing Vic. I was going to post the same thing. The way they dress has nothing to do with "holiness". That style of clothing didn't even exist during the time of Moses when the law was written. That is just RWD's old hocus pocus. Not only that I looked up "women not wearing that which pertaineth to a man" and translated it meant a battle devise like a weapon or armour which would be worn specifically by a "warrior or strong man who had the ability to fight".
I'm not making this up. That's what it says in Strongs Hebrew Lexicon about Deu 22:5. So guess what; the NTCC has that one all wrong and because that's the one and only scripture that supposedly justifies their doctrine about women wearing dresses, the NTCCs hypothesis has no validity. Plainly put and as it pertains to women, Deu 22:5 meant that a women shouldn't be running around in a "warrior's battle gear". Look it up! I'm not making this up but the NTCC leadership certainly made up their interpretation. The scripture has absolutely nothing do with a women not being morally or lawfully allowed to wear pants which incidentally didn't even exist when Deuteronomy was written.
R.W. Davis and the NTCC leadership has that one DEAD WRONG. Either that or Strongs translation of Hebrew is DEAD WRONG which I seriously doubt because it's been verified by more people than just James Strong.
The NTCC leadership needs to stop deceiving people just because RWD is a male chauvinist pig.
Cha Chief
No takers on this one? A woman not wearing that which pertaineth to a man means that a woman shouldn't run around in a mans battle gear i.e. with armour or weapons. That is what the Hebrew verse translated to in Deu 22:5. Here is what it says verbatim in Strongs. man, strong man, warrior (emphasizing strength or ability to fight)
That is what it says a woman shouldn't wear. "gear worn by an armourbearer who had strength or the ability to fight. Deu 22:5 has nothing to do with a women not being allowed to wear pants. It doesn't even make sense anyway. Why would God say a woman can't pants that pertaineth to or is worn specifically by a "man, strong man, warrior (emphasizing strength or ability to fight)". I just typed it verbatim straight from Strongs. The previous portion of that verse translated from Strongs gives specifically examples which include "armourbearer, weapon and armour. Come on folks!!! How much clearer can it get. That knowledge put the NTCC's entire practice in question. The NTCC is full of it.
What in the world does a mans everyday clothing i.e. pants have to do with someone who is a warrior with strength and the ability to fight? NOTHING.
It doesn't make sense and according to Strongs, the NTCC leadership and more specifically RWD got that one totally wrong. The verse is not talking about clothing but gear that is worn specifically by a warrior.
"Unto a man" is one word which once again means warrior.
Any takers on this one. I've looked it up repeatedly in Strongs and my conclusion is the only one that makes sense and not only that it is pretty clearly spelled out.
Anyone care to comment on this one? I'd really like some takers on this one.
Chief
Chief said:
"Proverbs 31 baby. Women, get your lives back."
Jerry Clower said:
Let me tell you about me and Mama. Mama sleeps in every day till 10 o'clock. She might have to wake up to let in the woman that I got hired to wait on Mama. And when Mama goes to the store to go shopping she drives to the store in a brand new Lincoln Continental. Mama don't want you messin with the deal she's got.
Sound like anyone you know?
You're right about the Deuteronomy thing, Chief, but the real scoop is that it doesn't even matter what it says in the law of Moses on the subject. This is the same mentality NTCC uses to foist tithing and other pet false doctrines on people through the generation of fear. The epistles indicate that the law of Moses was nailed to the cross and abolished.
We don't have a Taliban religion anymore; this is the dispensation of grace.
Holiness OR Hell!!!
Vic said...
You're right about the Deuteronomy thing, Chief, but the real scoop is that it doesn't even matter what it says in the law of Moses on the subject.
Chief said...
Understood Vic however being that the NTCC likes to selectively use the Old Testament Law to justify their doctrines, I figured I'd take their catch Bible verses like Deu 22:5 to show they are dead wrong. If they want to claim that their salvation hinges upon following Deu 22:5 I figured I'd systematically and logically show them that RWD has deliberately interpreted the scripture dead wrong.
RWD said that people didn't need to look at the Hebrew dictionary because he'd studied it and he understood the scriptures. Well like so much else that RWD blows out of his fat mouth I'm sure he taught that in an attempt to keep his people unlearned so he could perpetuate his false doctrine unchecked.
The more I study the Bible without some blowhard NTCC preacher giving me false information, the more I see that the NTCC was so wrong on so many fronts. They were wrong about Tts 2:5 on women being keepers at home because that means she should be a good house keeper. I doesn't mean she can't work. The NTCC put 1 Cor 16:2 in their doctrinal statement to falsely support paying tithes when it's painfully clear that it doesn't have a thing to do with paying tithe. I just showed how Deu 22:5 has nothing to do with a women not wearing a mans clothing but rather a woman not wearing a warrior's battle gear.
R.W. Davis has deliberately misinterpreted scriptures that he inaccurately uses to oppress women. Why does he go so far out of the way to keep women in check? Because he is a male chauvinist pig that's why. Hey, if a scripture legitimately applies to women then so be it but don't falsely interpret scriptures just to oppress women because he got Deu 22:5 and Tts. 2:5 dead wrong and I'll preach it from the roof tops. To all you NTCCers, RWD is a false prophet who falsely interprets scriptures and I've proved it right here on this blog over and over.
RWD is a deceitful crook and so are his pastors who know that what I write is true. How can you crooks say that a woman can't work or wear anything other than a dress when the two scriptures that I referenced clearly have nothing to do with either? I'm calling you NTCC preachers out. You guys teach false doctrine and you guys are false prophets. Come on here and prove me wrong. Deu 22:5 and Tts 2:5 have nothing to do with what you guys teach so why do you teach false doctrine?
Chief
Anonymous wrote...
Holiness or hell.
Chief wrote...
I'm not sure if you are just joking but if you are being serious here is one for you. What does a woman running around in a dress have to do with holiness? Tell me where in the Bible does it say that for a woman to be holy, she has to wear a dress? If you are just joking I digress.
Chief
Don't say Deu 22:5 because I've spent entirely too much time proving that Deu 22:5 has nothing to do with a requirement that a woman wear a dress.
Chief, I have heard many times from the pulpit, pants are lascivious. Why, skirts can be too, if you got it, you just got it. Men will look if you look good no matter what your length of your skirt or dress is. I wear pants, so what, I do not feel that I am sinning, I know why I am wearing pants, and it has nothing to do with enticement. Its called comfort.
Also, what about women not being able to cut her hair, I asked a pastors wife about it she told me and I quote " the bible says a woman should not cut her hair" What??????
That is not biblical. A women should not have shorn hair, does that not mean shaven. so women should not shave their head. I get that. What does your hair length have to do with your salvation. Again, if you don't look the way they want you to look, you are not saved. Having hair down to your ankles does not make you a Christian. Or having split ends from years of not even trimming your hair means you are a Christian, you can have it, believe that garbage. It is not biblical. It is NTCC doctine, not Gods requirments of us. Thank you taking the time to moderate this blog, your efforts are appreciated more than you could ever know.
signed, x NTCCer.
You are welcome. I appreciate that. That is the next scripture I will study out. When I get around to it I'm going to do a good study on the scriptures about women's hair. I'm confident that Davis the dupester got that one all wrong also. So far his average isn't very good because everyone I check he got dead wrong. I mean he ain't even close in the cases that I've looked up. Either that or you might as well throw the Strongs Concordance in the trash because for Davis the Dupester to be right, James Strong had to be all wrong. If James Strong's translations are wrong, what's to say they even got the King James Bible right?
Well I'll tell you that the Strongs Concordance with Greek and Hebrew Lexicon ain't wrong but RWD the Dupester sure is wrong.
Chief
Concerning the Deuteronomy verse, sometime ago I researched it also and saw that it translated to the context of warfare. I remember asking about it and was told that the bible was not for private interpretation...
SG said...
I remember asking about it and was told that the bible was not for private interpretation...
Chief said...
It figures that they would tell you that garbage. When they can't logically explain away your research they give you that load of garbage. Oh, but it's ok for them to continually give their own "private interpretation". Well I can tell you that's exactly what Deu 22:5 means. If the NTCC deceitful con artists want to hold on to the Old Testament law that's up to them but do it right. Don't tell her she can't wear pants when Deu 22:5 is plainly telling her she can run around in a warrior's battle gear/armour.
They'd have a real hard time with that being their primary targets are military personnel. LOL. They won't let a woman do much else, why do they accept tithe from them. They'll accept tithe from a woman and they don't care what she is wearing. She could drive up in a TANK with tight see though body armour and they would take her tithe. Ha, ha. They won't let women play any important roles in the church but they sure don't have any problem accepting a female soldier's tithe. Bunch of con artists and RWD is a male chauvinist pig.
I can see those NTCC abusers talking to a military woman now... "If you wear body armour you are an abomination to the Lord. You are better off getting shot in the chest and going to heaven then wearing pants and body armour and going to hell." That would be typical coming from an NTCC pastor. I don't share those sentiments.
Chief
Chief, I have a question for you and any other person that would like to chime in. With all that is being said about the NTCC pastors, RD, Kekel, Kinson and so on. Why on earth do these people continue to follow them and stay in the church, I can see the persons who are hired to do a job for them as this is most likely their livelyhood, office workers and building crew. But why do the many others stay year after year, it can't be that they don't know about these accusations. I am dumbfounded. I know when I was a member, I noticed people kept dissapearing but I thought, they must have moved or something. I did notice some ministers and their wives though just plain stop coming. I thought it was strange. I never inquired though. I have heard that a member, who is still there I might add, call and ask is the stuff on the blog they say about the NTCC true, she was told no, it is all lies. So they will lie to keep their members, I never even bothered to ask about the accusations against them, I knew they would not tell me that any of it was true. So they will essentially lie to everyone who inquires as to the authenticity of the accusations. Lies, Lies, Lies.
How about Acts 18:3...looks like Priscilla had an occupation?
She most certainly did have an occupation and to answer the previous questions. The reason people stick around is because they are deceived. That is the reason that I stuck around as long as I did. I knew there were some problems in the organization but I didn't realize how serious. Leaving for some means admitting they were wrong and many people have a hard time bringing themselves to admit that to not only themselves but FAMILY.
It's not easy admitting that you were suckered by a cult for years. That is a hard pill to swallow. For others it's become their livelihood and the prospect of really having to work for a living doesn't fancy them too well. There are a variety of reasons people stay even though they know the leadership is crooked but for whatever reason they stick around anyway. There is no way I'd follow Kekel but yet people still do. It is what it is.
What I do know is the leaders of the NTCC are a bunch of deceitful crooks. That's for sure.
Chief
I ran in to RW Davis at the Black Bear Diner this evening, along with Rev. Hall & Brother and Sister Simento. I guess they flew into Phoenix this evening. Small world, Isn't it?
Wow. That would have been interesting. I wonder how I would have handled that? The only one you mentioned that I would have recognized is Davis. I would have probably been cool as long as he kept his mouth shut which I would imagine he most likely would have.
It went like this.....
My wife and I were seated by the hostess. They were sitting 1 table up from us. I haven't seen RW Davis & wife since, like 88 or so. I've never met Mr. Hall, and I haven't seen the Simento's since 1981 when I was fresh out of the Army. I got a look at him and I told my wife "That's RW Davis". At first she didn't believe me, Because I'm a practical joker at times. It irritated me some, But hey, that's what happens when you joke around from time to time. He was talking on his cell phone, and I recognized his voice. After the waiter took our order I went to the restroom and came back the other way and recognized his wife. I confirmed to my wife that it was indeed RW Davis.
I'm not trying to string this out, But right now I've got a ton of work to do, plus my morning devotional so I will be back with the rest of the story. I'll probably make it 3 or 4 part so that way I don't burn everyone out. I have a short attention span anyway, so, just bear with me. Mark
Ok Dude, get to the good part. LOL.
Chief
Do we have to wait as long as we had to wait for the TK, MCK interview? LOL
You got us in suspense man!!!!! Ha, ha. I'm about to die.
Chief
Cool. I was hoping there was more to this story.
I just wanted to say Jeff, that though you don't know me, your blog has helped so much in my transition out of ntcc...I left recently and it has been really hard to face at times, but it is really good to know that others understand exactly what it's like, and there is hope. Of course, I don't feel comfortable posting who I am...because of the stigma and what is taught about these blogs...unfortunately. maybe one day. But, thank you for what you do...please don't ever stop!
You are very welcome.
Jeff
I saw RW Davis at Black Bear Diner
cont........
Anyway, I sat there for a little while and then I said...."Hello Pastor Davis, It's a small world, isn't it?" And he looked at me with a surprised look, and made the comment "You're face looks familiar, who are you?" I said "Just think about it a little while, It'll come to you." By then EVERYBODY at the table was looking at me. Sister Davis finally guessed who I was, and we all talked a bit. Pastor Davis asked how I was, and we had some small talk, and then I made the comment, "I'll let you all go ahead and eat, I don't want to ruin anyone's dinner." Pastor Davis went on to say that it was quite alright for me to introduce myself, and they went on eating.
One of the dead giveaways to the fact of who they were was that the men were sitting on 1 side of the table, and the women were sitting on the other side of the table.
I'll finish up on this whenever I get back, It seems like my job is never done. When you are in business for yourself, It's that way. Hello Mike and Tanya, I know you're reading this!!!
Anonymous said:
"Holiness or Hell. No joking. You should try it sometime."
DnA Said:
I tried ntcc's version of holiness which is really not much different than other cults version of holiness. Jesus never went around telling folks that they had to wear something special to make heaven their home. You ntcc hypocrites are righteous in your own eyes. You condemn others for their outward appearance while you live in a cesspool of adulterous relationships, encouraging divorce and splitting up families. Don't even waste your breath coming on here and talking about holiness. The ntcc is so far from holiness that they wouldn't recognize it if it stared them in the face.
I think our testosterone started to kick in a little bit, so unlike a real fight, (which you can't take back) I decided to take back some of what was written. Now for those who've already read some of these comments, (which I've deleted) there was some "concern" that discussions about football detracted from this blog. I don't think discussions about football detracted from the blog nearly as much as some recent exchanges between readers here which include myself.
My goal is for NTCC people to read this blog and when things get too heated, (which I've often been guilty of myself) I know for a fact that NTCCers and exers alike stop reading this blog and that is not my goal. I prefer (with some exceptions) to reserve the majority of that stuff for personal phone conversations.
Please understand, I'm not trying to be some bully blog moderator but many of us have put countless hours into the furtherance of this blogs ultimate goal which is to expose the NTCC. I don't want to loose 50 or 100 readers because of our bickering about whether or not football should be discussed on this blog. For all it's worth I deleted my comment also. Ok y'all. Come back now y'hear.
Chief
There, now we all can be friends again.
Jeff, you're quite the little rapper.
Thanks my friend. I get a kick out of it. It certainly wouldn't be a career choice. I can appreciate different types of music but for the most part, rap ain't one of them. Too much of that stuff glorifies violence and crime and that just ain't for me. Different strokes for different folks. People can do what they want as long as they leave me alone.
I believe the NTCC has done as much damage to mankind as any kind of music. Just not to the same scale but that is not because RWD and his army hasn't tried. I've known lots of people who listened to plenty of rap music who were a whole lot more genuine then RWD and his crew.
Chief
...but who's the dj?
Hey, do you want to hear something funny. Probably the reason that RW and his wife are in Arizona,is that Washington has had one of the worst snow and ice disasters we have had in over 6 years. Currently most of Graham is still without power, as of last Thursday at 7:00 morning we have been without power. So, he and his wife flew out to Arizona to escape this depressing mess we are in, there is broken trees and power lines down everywhere in Wa, I was just in Graham this morning it is still completely without power. He left to escape this mess. Must be nice to be rich and just fly off whenever you see it necessary to do so. I bet that Kekel and his wife are also not in Graham. You can take this to the bank. Ha ha. He probably flew out Thursday morning, when the power went out, that's what rich people do, whatever it takes to make their lives more comfortable.
RWD just uses people by convincing them they'll be blessed by taking care of the quote "men of God". NTCC preachers aren't "men of God". They are manipulative ministers of RWD the Dupester. There is a difference. Why in the world would RWD endorse people giving him a rolex watch or a fancy gun collection? Because he uses people and that is all there is too it. He lives an excessive lifestyle at the hands of a bunch of struggling Christians.
You tell me that is what Christianity is all about? Are you kidding? So I'm supposed to pay tithes so a bunch of NTCC ministers can put their heads together to figure out what gift they are going to buy for RWD next? WHAT? And all RWD does is put a bug in their ears? It goes something like this:
"Boy brother, that sure is a fine watch you have there". "Boy brother, I sure would like this kind of gun or that kind of gun or that KNIFE".
Then you know what happens next? These NTCC ministers put their heads together and say, "Lets buy pastor this watch or that gun or that knife". Then guess what happens? More of your tithe and offering money hard at work. Davis has guns and knives dripping out his ears and all complements of the hard earned money which comes from NTCC tithe payers. If you are a tithe payer in the NTCC make no mistake; a percentage of your hard earned money is going toward Kekel and Davis living a lavish, extravagant, excessive lifestyle. And guess who Davis is going to leave his multi-thousand dollar knife collection to? Grant the quote "sinner" who attends a Catholic college. Davis has a "HOUSE" that he has willed to Grant the quote "sinner" who attends a catholic college. So you are giving your money as unto the Lord? REALLY?
You might as well say, "Devil, here is my money, do whatever you want with it". Man you might as well throw you money right in the trash can and the sick part of it is, so many of your families, i.e. wife and kids are going without so Grant the quote, "sinner" can have a multi-thousand knife collection. You guys are stupid and so was I and it is what it is.
If I'd known all this years ago, the org wouldn't have gotten one penny of my hard earned money. Not one penny. That is not giving as unto the Lord. That is being a sucker plain and simple and I'm making this statement boldly for all to read. You NTCC people are being suckered. You are being took. You are being used. You are being bamboozled, hoodwinked, taken advantage of. Are there anymore ways to put it? Ganked, played, conned.
Man I've got to be the biggest idiot on the planet for falling for that mess for one minute and I didn't have nearly as much access to the information that you NTCCers do now.
Chief
Chief, are you saying that RW was given a Rolex watch from his pastors running various churches, are you sure, that sounds absolutely unbelievable. A huge gun collection, what on earth does he need a gun collection for. I am sickened by this. How would his ministers have gotten the money to buy him a Rolex, take up an offering from their respective church members, and then turn around and buy RW a Rolex with all the money they have collected from all the different churches. Rolexes run upwards of 10,000. I am disgusted.
Anonymous said...
Chief, are you saying that RW was given a Rolex watch from his pastors running various churches, are you sure, that sounds absolutely unbelievable.
Chief said...
That is EXACTLY what I'm saying. He was given a Rolex, he has an extensive gun collection and to top it off a really nice KNIFE collection of all things. MDR said that RWD personally told him that the knife collection would be given to Grant one day. Oh yeah, RWD lives an excessive lifestyle which would be no big deal if it wasn't costing all those poor ministers and church members so much money. Where else would the money come from? Tithes and offerings baby hard at work.
Lots of people know about it but they've been suckered into believing it's the way to go about things. Sister Davis was talking about how the Sisters pooled money together to buy her some special gift. Now where in the world would those women get money from to buy some elaborate gift? A book set or something like that? Most of the women don't even work. That is nothing more than more tithe and offering money hard at work. Spoiled absolutely rotten to the core. If they had any decency they'd put a stop to all that mess. A KNIFE COLLECTION of all things.
Chief
There you have it. The New York Giants are going to the big dance. Superbowl time baby. It's me and you MDR. Mano e Mano. May the best team win.
Chief
How about that Cha Chief? Just like we predicted on the phone earlier. Patriots/Giants Super bowl. Overtime. What a game. G-men steal one from the 9ers. Brady is going to have his hands full. The Superbowl can easily go either way. It should be a good one. How many of you ntcc'rs are going to get to see the Superbowl this year? Should be a great game. If I were you I'd watch it anyway because we all know that it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission and anything you put before Davis, oops, I mean God, becomes your god. If you miss your cult meeting to watch the Super bowl you will surely get blasted, so get your white shirts pressed and your wingtips all shined up so you can listen to some blow hard scream at you as he drains your wallet and your joy. Have a happy Super Bowl Sunday!!!!
Very good Don. Yep, they might as well get their white shirts pressed. Don't you know that only one person ever got special football privileges while they were in the NTCC. The son of the CEO himself; the Kekel's son. Sure enough. I'll bet he'll be watching the Super Bowl from somewhere near his Catholic college. Your dollar NTCCers.
You NTCCers say, "I don't watch football on the television. I'm not going to be a partaker in that Super Bowl stuff".
Chief says...
But you are. Your money is going to Grant's secular Catholic college education and he played football all through high school. You payed for that to the tune of approx $20,000 per year and you don't think he is going to watch the Super Bowl? You might even be paying his cable bill while he is off watching the Super Bowl at his secular Catholic college. My daughter is in college and she has cable in her room. Colleges are kind of set up like that. So you are not being a partaker, hey NTCCer? Better think again.
It's funny because everything you are denying yourselves, you are paying for Grant to have. Tell me I'm lying. Go ahead, tell me I'm lying? You won't watch the game because your double standard church leaders have taught that's not the right thing to do but you are paying for the church CEO's son to do it!!!!! Wouldn't that be messed up if you never watched the Super Bowl but you died and went to hell anyway because you willfully payed for someone else not only to play it but to watch and as a resuolt you became what you call "a partaker in another man's sins"?
Forget that, I'll be watching the Super Bowl if you care to join me. If I was convinced that it was against the Lords will to watch the Super Bowl, I would most certainly leave the church where I was paying for the CEO's son to watch it. Oh, you are not paying for it? Where do you think your tithe money is going? You don't think the Kekels get a chunk? You better think again. I'd rather give my money to a stone cold lush than give it to the Kekels so their son can participate in the things they told me I had to deny myself and my children. I'd rather burn my money and use it for fire wood. At least I'd get some heat out of it cause the Davis' and the Kekels are as cold as they get.
Chief
I have a Rolex, But I had to buy it myself. My favorite watch is a Franck Mueller. It's a Swiss watch, and considered one of the finest in the world. The one I want cost's 17,000.00. Franck Mueller has a trademark saying. "The Master of Complications."
Anyway, I like Rolex watches. I also like the Omega Sea-master. I had to have my Rolex cleaned and it cost's almost $600.00.
OK, I'm rambling.........I know.
Jeff said "There you have it. The New York Giants are going to the big dance. Superbowl time baby. It's me and you MDR. Mano e Mano. May the best team win."
Jeff, did I call this or what? Wow! That was some of the greatest football that I have ever seen. Both games were just sensational. I can't wait until the 5th of Feb. Look out baby, cause here come the Pats!!!!!!!!
I sincerely hope that everybody has a great week, cause I know I will.
Anon asked "Chief, are you saying that RW was given a Rolex watch from his pastors running various churches..."
Anon, The Rolex was given to RWD by his board members. RWD, on more than one occasion, showed me the watch and made it clear to me that it wasn't the model that he wanted. He wanted the "Presidential" model.
Ron Denis was the one commissioned with the purchase and delivery of the watch to RWD. I wondered if Denis gave him the Jubilee model on purpose. Just before I left the org, K Gandy contacted me, along with a lot of other pastors about purchasing the “Presidential" model for RWD, which I was prepared to go along with. Somehow Gandy knew that RWD wanted this other Rolex model.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if RWD receives the "Presidential" model, he will probably pass that other $10,000.00 watch down to schmekel or even Grant
MDR said:
"Just before I left the org, K Gandy contacted me, along with a lot of other pastors about purchasing the “Presidential" model for RWD"
DnA said:
RWD is nothing but a con artist. He has enough money to buy a Presidential Rolex for every day of the week, and a shoe box full of 7 diamond cluster pinky rings and he'd still have enough cash to fly into Arizona every time it gets cold.
We were taken for absolute fools and if you are in the ntcc reading this stuff, you are blind if you stay in that sleazy organization.
You can't give a dollar to a homeless person because they might buy a beer with it, but you can give Thousands of dollars of your hard earned money every year to help Grant Kekel live in luxury while he attends a Catholic College as a "sinner".
You can't watch a football game because any thing you put before church will become your god, but your money is being used to support a kid that not only watches football but plays football.
Your kid's have to grow up like monks and nuns dressing like complete and total dorks while your money pays for the Royal Heir Apparent to wear shorts and sweats and football pants. Can you spell Lascivious with a capital L?
Are you still letting these puppet masters pull your strings?
You are taught not to go soul winning in the ghettos because you can't build a church with homeless people while you give every spare dime you have to a couple of millionaires that watch you live below the poverty level while they promise you that God's blessings are right around the corner. Yeah, if you live in Graham, they are around the corner in the Davis and Kekel mansions. Guess what ntcc'rs? Your blessings have been squandered away on Rolex watches, 7 diamond cluster pinky rings, Cadillacs, BMW's and Mercedes, Mansions, summer homes and winter homes, all expense paid vacations, Recreational Vehicles, Alpaca Scarfs and Drexel Heritage Secretary desks, and Henry rifles, gun collections and knive collections, are you getting the picture? What do we have to do for you to see the corruption that surrounds the ntcc? Is God really using your labor and sacrificial giving to decorate these pompous and pious hypocrites with ornaments and gifts? RWD is becoming more and more like the pope. Y'all are really living according to the bible. "We are bible believing Christians." I've never seen any of this in the Bible.
DnA
You know the sad part DnA? There is an army of brainwashed folks who will simply dismiss what you've written. That is so sad. All the hard labor for what? So the money that is given in tithes and offerings can be pooled together by NTCC ministers to buy a presidential model Rolex for RWD. I just looked up that model watch and the least expensive one from a rated dealer was $17,500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Another dealer had it for $20,995!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So that is what your money is going to in the NTCC? You pay your tithes and offerings and your pastors pool the money together to buy a ROLEX for a spoiled rotten piece of trash who already has a ROLEX but doesn't like it because it it isn't a certain model?
You've got to think about the mentality of a so called "minister" who even wants a $17,000 watch at the expense of a bunch of struggling church members and ministers. Spoiled rotten, lifestyles of the rich and famous piece of trash. And the reason this thing is so sad is because so many of his ministers and members are living from paycheck to paycheck so he can have a $17,000 watch of all things.
I can check the time with my cell phone for crying out loud. If R.W. Davis had one ounce of decency he'd completely put a stop to that mess. He wants a watch that's worth ten times more than the junky cars that NTCCers break down in driving to conference with their kids in the vehicle.
If you NTCCers are reading this mess and it doesn't alarm you, you've completely lost your mind. Your hard earned money is going to a $17,000 watch for someone who already owns one but ain't happy with it? Are you kidding me?
WHATEVER!!!!
And you wonder why some of you are broke? You deserve to be. I've got to where I don't even feel sorry for you guys. I hope the NTCC pastors go out and buy him a $50,000 watch with your money. While they are at it, they need to buy him another $50,000 worth of knives and guns. I hope they take up a special offering in addition to the tithes and offerings that you already give. I hope you can't even pay your light bill and your kids go to bed in the dark so that your NTCC leadership can buy RWD a !7,500 watch. Half of y'all still wouldn't wake up and see the light.
Sounds kind of hard doesn't it? It was mean to be that way. Actually, I don't wish that on your children because it's not their fault that you are flat out stupid.
Chief
Y'all know what? I'm starting to like RWD. There are so many suckers just dying to give away their money, why not take advantage of them? I need to add another 30 guns to my already large gun collection. I don't even have a watch cause I use my cell phone. I could use a $17,000 rolex. I got an idea. I'll collect the money from a bunch of sucker ministers for RWD's new rolex so that RWD can give me his current probably $10.000 rolex.
Me and old RDUB will wind up with around $25,000 in rolex's and you guys can keep struggling. Hey it's worked for RWD for all these years it will work for me also. Suckers are going to be suckers so why not both of us get a piece of the pie. I want a Ruger 454 Casull, 7 1/2in barrel to hang on my wall.
Yahoo!!!! I'm going to be rich. The best sucker is a Christian sucker because they are easy to take advantage of because you can easily convince them not to think evil of anyone. If I can convince everyone I'm the greatest Christian there ever was like RWD they'll run out to buy me watches guns and knives.
Don and MRD, are you guys in. We can start the "New Testament Christian Church 2". Kids can start off playing football in our organization. We don't have to wait for an answer from God cause Kekel already got it. All we got to do is target young impressionable GI's and well be rich. Where is my Rolex. Don't get me that garbage, I want the President model.
Chief
Did anyone detect my sarcasm? I don't like RWD. I'm trying to get a point across. It's sickening how the money that goes into the NTCC is spent. I don't give my money so some clown can run around with a $17,000 Rolex watch. That is not being blessed, that is taking advantage of peoples good nature. Do you suppose God blessed a millionaire drug dealer just cause he's got millions? So you say the drug dealer is a crook but you don't think it's possible that RWD could be a con artist? If you don't think RWD could be a crook you are gullible.
All I can say is wake up people. Massing knife, watch and gun collections at the expense of NTCCers who give offerings is excessive and manipulative. Find one place in the New Testament where an offering was given for any other reason than because people really needed the money. You won't find even one example of people taking up a collection of approx $17,000 so a bunch of ministers can buy a time piece for the stinking preacher.
Wake up people. The way the NTCC does stuff is wrong and I'm saying it boldly for all to hear. I've been talking bad about RWD for years now and I haven't backed off yet.
RWD is a cold blooded, abusive, stinking, manipulative, conniving, crook who uses people for everything he can get out of them.
PERIOD. Now what do you NTCCers have to say about that? NOTHING, I didn't think so. Finding out that those brainwashed RWD followers are trying to buy him a $17,000 watch at the expense of a bunch of struggling people putting their couple dollars in the offering makes my blood boil and I'd tell RWD that to his fat face. He ain't no "man of God". He is a man of his own deceitful lusts who is trying to mass a ridiculously expensive collection of knives, watches and guns at everyone elses expense. He ain't nothing but a crook and GOD knows. There, what do you say about that?
Chief
Knowing what you know now, why on God's green earth, when you know RWD is a multi-mega-millionaire, do you guys take the money that came from a bunch of broke church members and buy expensive gifts for RWD the con artist? Do you really think I'm stupid enough to believe that's God's will? NOT!!!!!!! No wonder the wives of these NTCC pastors are always trying to take up special offerings to get their husbands special gifts. Because they learned that garbage for RWD the con artist. The NTCC is no more than a con game where a bunch of none working preachers are living lives of entitlement. They think they are entitled to everything everyone else has. A $17'000 watch!!!! That is enough to punch myself in the head for ever giving that organization one penny.
Chief
"Lets get the pastor this, lets get the pastor that". How about lets get the pastor NOTHING. How about tell that crook to get a job if he wants a $17,000 watch. Can you tell the news of that mess has aggravated me?
Goodnight!
Jeff, That is soooo funny.
Oh, BTW, has anybody heard that the Patriots are on their way back to the Super Bowl? ;)
If Brady wins this one, He has a chance of going into the record book as the greatest quarterback of all time. Of course, I already knew he was that, but I digress.
have a good day peeps
Man Brady is a crook just like RWD. Ha, ha. Go Giants.
Chief
Well, MDR, I'm going to have to side with Chiefster on this one. If it was any other team in the NFC, I would have been a Patriots fan for the Superbowl, but Eli is da man. This is going to be a good game and it could go either way, but unfortunately for you and millions of Patriots fans, we are going to have a repeat of the last match up between the G-men and the Pats. Remember that 4th down play where Eli was sacked, but oh no!!! He somehow escapes out of the clutches of not one, not two but three 300+ pounders and finds Tyree 30+ yards down the field and heaves the ball, which by the way was the most spectacular all time catch in superbowl history, pinned between the dudes hand and his helmet all the way down to the turf to set up the game winning drive.
Click this link if you have the stomach to watch it!
Patriots' Demise
Sorry, MDR, I couldn't resist. I don't really have a horse or Bronco in the race any more and if either team wins I'm okay with it. Both teams are going to be hard to beat. Good luck MDR and Chief! Would love to see a Superbowl go into overtime.
Hope nobody looses the victory over all this football talk. LOL.
DnA
Don, I don't have to watch the clip, because I will never forget that play.
It's good to have dreams, so you keep dreaming cause I don't think Brady is going to let that happen again.
Chief, I sense some anger, and I don't blame you one bit, just remember though this blog does
help the poor members and ministers see the light, its a process and it sometimes takes a while but let me tell you, people really are seeing the light, so to speak, I see it all the time. In Graham, they ARE leaving. I think an individual needs to realize that this church really is a farce and not really what they claim to be. This realization takes time and then you are usually dealing with trying to make the spouse also "see the light" In life, the old saying "you reap what you sow" is true, and RWD and MK are now seeing that, I truly believe it, I don't know how they sleep at night. Maybe they don't think they are doing anything wrong, or doing wrong to anyone, but their empire is starting to crumble. These people are not what they claim to be... it is apparent.
Just another xer.
MDR, this question is for you. So, if you where told that you and the other pastors of the respective churches need to buy a "gift" for Davis or someone else within the organization, you would get your portion of the money from the tithe you received from your respective church? You would then all pool the money together and purchase the "gift", do I understand this correctly? So what I am saying is the tithe money received from the respective churches would be used for these "gifts"? Not the personal finances of the Pastors of those churches. So essentially our tithe money goes to buying extravagant gifts for Davis. Is this what you are saying?....
MDR said:
"It's good to have dreams, so you keep dreaming cause I don't think Brady is going to let that happen again."
DnA said:
You may be right. The advantage I have is that for me I have nothing invested in this game being that my team is going to be at home watching the game. I just felt the need to do some serious football trash talkin. I think it's going to be an awesome game and If the Pats win, it won't hurt my feelings. I didn't have this same feeling when they slaughtered the Broncos, however. Brady is going to be focused and you may be right about him not letting the Giants win this game. This will be Brady's fifth Superbowl. The Patriots and the Giants are both teams that I like but for me the pecking order is Giants then Patriots. I like the Giants because I like the Manning Brothers. They both have brought a lot of excitement to the game. Brady is comparable to Montana in that he is not only good, but has the championships to prove it. Bradshaw has the rings but can not be put in the same class as Brady and Montana. Peyton Manning is the smartest QB I've ever seen but throughout his career he has not had a tremendous supporting cast, yet he has carried his team like Elway (who is my favorite QB) had to carry the Broncos for many years. Colts without Manning are a disaster, with Manning they make the playoffs every year. Eli is starting to make his mark in the NFL and win or lose, he has had a great season. My prediction: The best team will win. My pick: Giants over the Pats by 3, could go into over time. I will try to refrain from football trash talk until just before and after the Superbowl. You can have your blog back Jeff. jk.
DnA
Anonymous said:
"So what I am saying is the tithe money received from the respective churches would be used for these "gifts"? Not the personal finances of the Pastors of those churches."
DnA said:
I'm not answering for MDR but I can tell you from what I have seen in 13 years in the ntcc is that the majority of the ntcc ministers do not have their own personal finances.
The ntcc runs on the sales model of Duplication. You can see duplication in organizations like McDonalds. No matter which McDonalds you go to you will get the same menu and pretty much the same service. An Egg McMuffin can be purchased for a buck in Maine and in Arizona. The egg McMuffin will taste exactly the same in Maine and Arizona. McDonalds has found something that works and they have duplicated it over and over.
What you see in Graham is what you see everywhere in the ntcc to some degree. I have seen so many times Pastors that want something but can't afford to buy it for themselves will hint to a church member that he want's something and that member or helper will hit up the rest of the members to buy that item for their Pastor. It's not their birthday, or Christmas, but they just want something and have to have it so they will say, "Pastor so and so's congregation bought him a 7 diamond cluster pinky ring. I sure would like to have one of those." Then the congregation goes out and buys it. This is learned behavior. Davis does this all the time and has the expensive gun, knife and watch collections to prove it.
I'm sure MDR can tell you the exact dynamics of how this works but I would imagine that it would have to come from the tithe money or special offerings. This I can tell you for sure is that the ones giving are living way below the poverty level and Davis is filthy rich. Kekel is filthy rich. They are rich off of poor people giving.
DnA
Anyway, back to RW Davis. After I introduced myself to him, I would say that the group as there for about 15-20 minutes or so. They all got up, and RW came over to me and we talked briefly(VERY,VERY briefly)
He was cordial, as was I. I would say not even 30 seconds. My wife told me that she got the impression that he wanted to get out of there as quickly as he could, and away from me. But, I don't want to paint a picture that he was rude, or crass, he was just in a hurry to leave. He shook hands with my wife, and I shook hands with everyone else there. His wife, now that was a different story. We were talking like old friends in a matter of seconds. She was a sweet as she could be, and her and my wife were talking up a storm. I hope that she didn't stir up his wrath, or that she didn't catch Hades for staying to long, Because everyone else had left by the time she got got ready to say goodbye.
My wife and I also had spoken about the idea that RW Davis knows alot more about what goes on out here on these Blogsites than Mike, or Tanya want to admit. I've heard from other people that RW Davis doesn't know, or keep up with, or even CARE what other people say but I don't buy into that at all. I will say that he appears to be in good health, especially for a going on 83 year old man, so I got that one wrong.
Bottom line: He knows what's going on out here, and who is saying what. He may not keep up with it on a day to day basis, But he knows. The smell of his cologne permeated the air, and the 1st thing I thought of was "Royal Copenhagen". I don't know if that was the particular cologne that he was wearing, because I'm not familiar with the smell. From what I remember about the cologne I didn't like it. To me it smells like liquid baby powder. I'm not saying that because he wears it, But just because I just don't like the smell of the cologne.
Before Sister Davis left. (and she even introduced herself to my wife as "Verna")(WOW)she gave me a cordial invite out to the church and said that I could even come in the back door if I wanted to. My wife asked me about that later, and thought it was a bit strange, But I don't really want to read anything into it. Perhaps she was just introducing a little bit of humor into the conversation, But she was, as I said, very cordial, and very sweet. I have some other things to say, But I'll wait until maybe tonight. Mark
Anonymous said:
"I don't know how they sleep at night."
DnA said:
It's called Nyquil.
Just another xer said...
I don't know how they sleep at night. Maybe they don't think they are doing anything wrong, or doing wrong to anyone, but their empire is starting to crumble. These people are not what they claim to
Chief said...
Oh, I have the answer to that. They don't have a conscience. They know what they are doing isn't right but they just don't care. The love of money is the root of all evil. It's just that simple.
Also, you say you "sense some anger" with me? You are right my friend. Of course that is no mystery. Jesus was angry with the Pharisees wasn't he, when he started flipping the tables? If someone broke into your house would you be happy with them? I would think so. You wouldn't invite them back for dinner. The Bible says be angry and sin not so I have every moral right to be angry with a down right crook. They are crooks and crooks don't make me happy. It doesn't make me happy that they take advantage of so many people by taking their money in an attempt to purchase a $17,500 watch when the crook already has a Rolex that he didn't need in the first place. And that along with his gun and knife collection.
People don't go out and buy me my guns, I buy my own. It's wrong to use church folks like that and take advantage of their good nature and that is exactly what RWD does. And then he goes to conference and blows hot air by claiming that God blesses him with everything he has. I suppose God blessed the multi-millionaire drug dealer with everything he has? Man, crooks get money every day. That is nothing new and RWD the con artist is no exception. He just "uses" the gospel to get his like so many other "Christian" preachers in the world. Eddie Long, Creflo Dollar, the Bakers, they are all the same.
Convince everyone that they will be blessed financially under one condition. Give the preacher their money. It's the oldest trick in the book. Unfortunately more often then not, it results in the person becoming more broke and staying that way, not the other way around. But guess who get rich. The blow hard preacher and that is when the $17,500 Rolex's start rolling in, no pun intended.
That is not being blessed, that is taking advantage of good hearted people. Does that make me angry, you better believe it. Just like Jesus got angry by the money changers in the temple I get angry by the money grubbers in the NTCC.
Chief
Anonymous said...
So, if you where told that you and the other pastors of the respective churches need to buy a "gift" for Davis or someone else within the organization, you would get your portion of the money from the tithe you received from your respective church?
Chief said...
I'm not trying to be funny or disrespectful here but where else would the money have come from? Many NTCC preachers don't work so where does all their money come from? Tithes and offerings? Where else? Investments? Where do they get their money to invest? Tithes and offerings. Ultimately all money in the NTCC comes from tithes and offerings and all I'm saying is I'm not giving my money to some church when some crook wants it squandered it on a $17,000 watch!!!!
That is the problem with these preachers. They think everyone elses money belongs to them and then they blow it on every thing they can dream up while preaching that the church members would be better being homeless than not paying their tithe. And they put that out because some church member unwisely told them they were struggling financially.
Chief
Mark said...
But she was, as I said, very cordial, and very sweet.
Chief said...
I don't doubt that one bit and that is exactly how they get you, how they use you and of course Mark, I'm not telling you anything you don't know. Sis Davis breaks up marriages just like the rest of them and in my book she and her husband are both crooks and manipulators. Sometimes very subtle like the devil. Real smooth and tricky. Grant is Sis Davis' grandson just like he is RWD's grandson. She sat there and listened to her blow hard husband jump down everyone's throat because certain children didn't attend the NTCS just to watch her grandson go off to a Catholic college. She is just as much of a crook as her husband.
Kind of hard ain't I? Well RWD has been hard on people for years so one good lick deserves another. They are both crooks.
Chief
Thanks Chief, I can see it now. It all makes sense to me now. I could never, I repeat never step foot in one of their church services ever again. I do not know how these folks still stay. Do they think this stuff is just made up, why would you and others here make this stuff up. What could you possibly gain from keeping this blog going. I do not know how long it has been here but like I said earlier, what is being said out here is making a difference. People ARE leaving, they are finally seeing the light. I remember hearing over the pulpit don't go out and read those blogs. I wish I had a lot sooner. Keep it up.
Anonymous said...
Thanks Chief.
Chief said...
You are more than welcome. RWD uses people for his own gain and I'm certain about that. There is no reason whatsoever for RWD to advocate people buying him guns, knives, cars and watches. No reason whatsoever. RWD takes advantage of people and it's just that simple.
Chief
Don said "What you see in Graham is what you see everywhere in the ntcc to some degree. I have seen so many times Pastors that want something but can't afford to buy it for themselves will hint to a church member that he want's something and that member or helper will hit up the rest of the members to buy that item for their Pastor. It's not their birthday, or Christmas, but they just want something and have to have it so they will say, "Pastor so and so's congregation bought him a 7 diamond cluster pinky ring. I sure would like to have one of those." Then the congregation goes out and buys it. This is learned behavior.
Don, you pretty mush hit the nail right on the head. This is learned behavior in ntcc. Pastors work full-time jobs, are in the ministry full time, may have a pension/disability or other sources of income. One thing is for sure and that is RWD will use you for all that your worth and then throw you to the curb. There are many that can testify to this.
Mark G said "My wife and I also had spoken about the idea that RW Davis knows alot more about what goes on out here on these Blogsites than Mike, or Tanya want to admit"
Mark, I can assure you that Dub gets a report from schmekel and Tanya on a regular basis. I've been in his living room on more than one occasion when reports came in either by telephone or even printed copies taken from the website. Then he starts chewing folks up, calling them/us liars, God haters and Davis haters etc...
Mark said "But she was, as I said, very cordial, and very sweet."
Mark, Don't be fooled by that my brother. Verna Davis is just as phony as RWD. I know the game she plays. I watched and listened to her for years. She might have a lot of people duped, but not me.
I would like to add something concerning Verna and Tanya. For years I watched Davis and schmekel act like they have their women in complete subjection. I'm here to tell you that Verna and Tanya have a lot to say about policy and or decisions that are made in that crooked organization. I've watched both of them "work" they're daddy. All the while that blow hard Davis will get up in a conference and say "My wife has nothing to do with decisions that are made in this org, I do everything by the Holy Ghost".
Ya right!
MDR said:
"One thing is for sure and that is RWD will use you for all that your worth and then throw you to the curb. There are many that can testify to this."
DnA said:
People tolerate a lot from RWD. He is a user and an abuser. People submit themselves to RWD and spend their lives seeking his approval. RWD has a built in radar that detects your level of loyalty to him and his organization. As long as you are an asset to him and you are bringing in money and tithe payers and giving everything you can to him and the borg, you are favored. If you question him about anything; or if you stop producing or your production is down, he will single you out and begin to chastise you. If you challenge him in any way, you become a real threat to him. He will kick you to the curb in a heartbeat at the threat of being exposed. He will begin the process of running you off, which involves trampling all over you, your family and your reputaion.
This is typical narcissistic behavior. RWD has many character flaws that he does not want exposed. If he can keep people away from the blogs, than his faults and sins remain hidden from his loyal subjects. If you read the blogs and entertain the ideas that are presented, you are a God Hater.
I will say this. The truth is never a bad thing. Read the blogs and if you find anything we say to be true, than take a closer look at it. RWD and the ntcc is just like the church of the Laodiceans. They say, "I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing". They know not that they are wretched and miserable. The ntcc and it's leaders have swindled you into thinking that you can buy your way into heaven. If you give, God will bless you. You have given all that you have under the guise that you are giving it to God, only to find that your money has not gone to the furtherance of the gospel but rather to the King of all Con-men. While he adorns himself in Rolex watches and Diamond pinky rings, driving around in new Cadillacs and Recreational Vehicles, taking all expense paid vacations around the world on your dime, demanding your love and respect as he uses you for every purpose and purchase under the sun, and thinks nothing of kicking you while you are down. You go through a battle and don't understand why the blessings that were promised never come. You needn't look any further than The Davis tree and the Kekel branch.
You ntcc'rs have been played for fools. The ntcc is neither hot nor cold, and God hates luke warm phony hypocrites that operate under the guise of being a "holiness" organization. Live like a Quaker and give all your money and life earnings to the crooked thieves in Graham. RWD is approaching the end of his journey. Who do you think is going to inherit all the royal bounty that your tithe and offerings have purchased? The Kekels who are just waiting for the opportunity to plunge the ntcc into complete and total compromise, or Grant who they have professed to be a sinner who attends a Catholic college. Do you have any idea how many millions and millions of dollars that have been poured into the ntcc over the years? If this money was used for the reaching of souls the ntcc would be a mega church by now but your money has been squandered and used to make it possible for RWD and his immediate family to live in luxury while everyone else struggles to make ends meet.
Your tithe dollars at work!
DnA
"Push people, and they will move. If they don't move, push harder. If they push back, get rid of them--you don't need them."
--RW Davis
Davis is a professed student of Machiavelli. "The Prince" was even a reading assignment in BS at one point. Too bad folks didn't recognize that the tactics they were learning were being used on them!
I saw RW Davis at the Black Bear Diner Cont.......
I'll wrap up everything with these comments/observations.
BTW.....MDR,Your comments about Sister Davis are noted. I won't argue the point with anyone out here about Sister Davis because you-all know her much better than I could ever hope to know her. My exposure to her has just been in passing.
Something I thought about later, and that was when I told RW Davis "Just think about it for a minute, It'll come to you", I thought about it later and thought that it was probably construed as rudeness on my part since RWD is so used to getting what he wants, and when he wants it. When he says "Jump", you are suppose to say "How High", Sir?" But I didn't answer him directly, so I suppose I was rude to him, which wasn't my intention.
When I was younger (MUCH younger) I was so intimidated by him. I thought that he had a direct line to the throne of God, and that during Church service when he was staring you down that God was in his ear telling him about all the thoughts that came into your head, your past, your present, as well as the events of your future. Now, being fair to him, That wasn't all his fault. But by the same token, He did NOTHING to dispel that notion. He did NOTHING to dispel the mystique that surrounded him. I just hope that things has changed.
As I said before in another thread, Don't EVEN get me started on Tanya Kekel. She is an industrial grade B*@*$H, and I wouldn't have ANY qualms about saying that to her face. I know, I know, someone might say that if they were her husband that we would be going to Fist City, But that's OK too, Because it she is going to put herself in that situation, then she shouldn't expect, nor will she GET preferential treatment from me just because she is someones husband. If she wants to dance, she better to be able to pay the fiddler!!!
Mark G, what is the really Tanya Kekel like? she always seemed so sweet to me when I attended the Graham church? Mind you, I was "just a member".
"I thought that he had a direct line to the throne of God, and that during Church service when he was staring you down that God was in his ear telling him about all the thoughts that came into your head, your past, your present, as well as the events of your future. Now, being fair to him, That wasn't all his fault. But by the same token, He did NOTHING to dispel that notion. He did NOTHING to dispel the mystique that surrounded him. I just hope that things has changed."
Actually, it is all his fault you thought that way. He not only didn't dispel that, he actively taught and promoted it. He claimed he could look at us and read us like a book, and that he knew more about us than we did.
Vic said...
He not only didn't dispel that, he actively taught and promoted it.
Chief said...
It's part of his con game. You have to believe he is God's man for his con game to work. If you don't consider the guy as an "Apostle or a Prophet" then what he says means no more than any other preacher. For his scheme to work, people have to follow his every directive as though they came from God himself and then RWD can convince you do just about anything to include parting with your money as though you are giving it to God himself.
That sums up his scheme in a nutshell. If you don't give RWD's org your money, the theory is, you are steeling from God. Would you give a bank robber your money if the bank robber called himself a Christian? How about a burgler who called himself a Christian? They are crooks right? Well RWD is also a crook so just because he calls himself a Christian doesn't mean you are obligated to give him your money.
Chief
Click the post title to see all comments. Look for the links at the bottom of the page for newer and newest comments (anything more than 200 comments). :-)
To see more than 200 comments.
Anonymous you are right - when you click on the number of comments on the bottom of a post, it opens a page to leave a comment. It used to be that it would show the first 200 comments and give you the option to click a link to view the newer and newest comments both at the top of the comment page and at the bottom of the page. For some reason these links are no longer visible.
But you can see all 247 comments now by clicking on the title of the post "Oh The Hypocrisy That Drove A Man To Murder And Suicide" That will bring up the post and the first 200 comments PLUS the links to see the newer and newest comments. Sometimes those links at the top of the comments but just under the body of the post, don't work. Usually only the links at the bottom of the page work. It's stupid; but that's what I've experienced. If you use Microsoft OS you can skip to the bottom of the page by holding down the function button ["fn"] and pressing the page down key ["Pg Dn"] at the same time. That saves some time getting to the bottom of the page.
Also, at the bottom of the comments there will be a link to "Post A Comment" which will bring up the comment box page with the first 200 comments. Clear as mud now, right? SMH
Hope this helps you and others to see and leave comments.
P.S. We put this on this thread since it's under 200 comments so people that are having difficulties can figure it out.
Thanks you guys. That does help and I appreciate you putting this on here.
Chief.
The missing posts >200 is a blogspot issue; it's been discussed for the past few days on the support forum, so hopefully Google will take notice and fix it soon.
Here is something else about a real Christian and a Rolex. A real Christian wouldn't want people to buy them a $17,500 Rolex, They would want to sell such a watch and use the money to help people. Specifically to help the broke people running around the NTCC who sacrifice everything they have. Anyone is spiritually destitute who can't see that the NTCC system is a messed up system. I still can't get past a bunch of ministers trying to take up a collection to purchase a multi millionaire a $17,500 watch. That may be the most absurd thing heard about a so called "Christian" organization. In this case more appropriate referred to as a cult.
Chief
MDR said, "I wondered if Denis gave him the Jubilee model on purpose."
denis probably collected the money and bought two watches - and kept the Presidential model for himself and gave the Jubilee to davis. Buy one get one half price; or buy davis a cheap knock-off from Korea! LOL
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