I received a phone call today from an individual who had been to visit the New Testament Christian Church in Jackson, Mississippi. This individual (who's gender I will not disclose because the NTCC leadership thinks they are a bunch of private investigators) had questions about the NTCC. This person also had concerns because of a recurrence that this person had witnessed within the church in Jackson. I also won't specify what was taking place because if I do, they will probably fix their mistake and as a result, less people will be run off. Well that is not what we want around here. Ha, ha. We want their ignorance and blunders to result in people getting run off. This person also told me that pastor Terry wouldn't talk about Barnes departure as though Terry was trying to hide something which is typical in the NTCC. They want to keep everyone in the dark lest folks learn of their dirty secrets. Based on what this person told me about the number of people in church, it became obvious that when pastor Barnes left the NTCC, he took most or all of his congregation with him. Good for him. I wonder what was so wrong with the NTCC that a man (pastor Barnes) who RWD openly praised in conference, would just up and leave the NTCC and take his congregation with him? Things that make you go hmmmm. I mean this was the guy that RWD spoke so highly of saying that he was such a great leader and minister for the New Testament Christian Church. I heard RWD say it with my own ears because I was present at that conference. Isn't it ironic that so many people who RWD praises wind up leaving the NTCC? Back to the story.
So this person had questions and I gave answers and needless to say, I strongly suspect that this individual won't be returning to the NTCC. Like, I'm basically positive. For those who read and support this blog, believe me when I tell you, "we are winning", one soul at a time. Freedom is wonderful. Know the truth, and the truth shall set you free. Oh, this person also told me that pastor Terry spoke of a period of hard financial times that pastor Terry had been through since he'd been in the NTCC. Such a great testimony. I love it when they tell the truth. So pastor Terry is about 50 and he's been with the NTCC for about 30 year as I'd already surmised. He is living in a low budget, low cost of living apartment complex, and he's endured long periods of financial destitution since he's been with the NTCC. For all of you who envy pastor Terry, you might want to find someone else to play that role.
I don't envy that mess at all thank you. With any luck, Terry's church will continue to make the same blunders and people will continue to dig for more information about the New Testament Christian Church, and I'll keep getting phone calls and people will keep leaving.
Cha Chief, Cha Chief, Cha Chief, Chief, Chief.
Dot, Da Dot, Da Dot, Dot, Dot,
People can keep giving me phone calls,
So folks can walk, away from the halls,
Of the crooked church, you know me,
My name is Chiefy Chief Chief, don't give me no beef.
I like for people, to hear the truth,
So they don't turn, in-to a goof,
In the crooked church, you know me,
My name is Chiefy Chief Chief, and I ain't no thief.
Folks are leaving in numbers and scores,
Because the church leadership, treats them like whores,
They leave the crooked church, you know me,
My name is Chiefy Chief Chief, don't give me no beef.
Barnes is gone and so is MDR,
They wouldn't go back if they gave them a car,
They left the crooked church, can't you see,
My name is Chiefy Chief Chief, and I am free.
The NTCC, is a cult,
If you go to their door, you better halt,
Don't step into their church, you better beware,
They will mess up your life, so don't you dare,
Hear the Chiefy Chief Chief, and you will see,
Find a different church, and grow like a tree.
62 comments:
Micheal Kekel, you are a despicable, pathetic, thuggish, narcissistic, BIG MOUTHED, Pharisaical SOCIOPATH.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
MDR
Can you guess that MDR is not a very big fan of Kekel? I would have never figured it out had MDR not told me.
Chief
MDR said...
Micheal Kekel, you are a despicable, pathetic, thuggish, narcissistic, BIG MOUTHED, Pharisaical SOCIOPATH.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?
MDR
Tell us how you really feel now.
BTW, RWD just had a birthday on Monday. He is now 83 years old.
MDR said
"Micheal Kekel, you are a despicable, pathetic, thuggish, narcissistic, BIG MOUTHED, Pharisaical SOCIOPATH.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE?"
MDR
It doesn't rhyme.
Anonymous said...
It doesn't rhyme.
Chief said...
That is because he is not the big Chiefster.
Cha Chief
If it barks like a dog,
it's not a hog,
If it quacks like a duck,
it's not a buck,
Don't listen to some crook,
adding to the good book,
As their bank accounts grow,
They treat you like a Ho,
You think your livin right,
every day is a fight,
then you open up your eyes,
and hear all the lies,
Don't finger your fries,
Wear wing tips and ties,
Give your last dime,
cuz your runnin out of time,
Don't cut your hair,
or you best beware,
Don't wear jeans,
Don't eat beans,
put a twenty in the plate,
and don't be late,
Shine the preacher's shoes,
don't listen to the clues,
clean Muck and Tanya's house,
While she wears a tight blouse,
Showing what she's got,
against all we've been taught,
While you get snipped,
They double-dipped,
into your tithe dollars,
while you live in squalor,
They live high on the hog,
while you bark like a dog,
RWD don't care,
His wife has little hair,
She wears a wig,
and treats you like a pig,
"Sit and stay",
Rollover and pay,
Your ship just sank,
R-dub's at the bank,
laughing all the way,
no matter what you say,
you will never be right,
go fly a kite,
While they drive in Cadillacs,
you're clunker is a Battle-axe,
puffing smoke and leaking oil,
you're blood begins to boil.
You open your eyes,
and understand the lies,
and see you're in a cult,
and decide it's time to bolt,
I'm finally free,
from the tyranny,
of my financial woes,
my sisters and bros,
I've finally moved on,
I'm gonna be gone,
but not with the Pharisees,
or the hypocrites of the ntcc,
whose end is in sight,
turn out the light,
I'd rather be real,
than not to feel,
while they continue to steal,
it's a raw deal,
time and God will heal.
That's a rap!
LOLOLOLOLOL. That was outstanding. Yeah that beat mine by far. What you wrote was also so true.
This part was really funny to me: While they drive in Cadillacs,
you're clunker is a Battle-axe. Boy ain't that the truth.
Real good one, 1 NCO 2 Another.
Chief
Oh this was good one also:
Don't listen to some crook,
adding to the good book,
As their bank accounts grow,
They treat you like a Ho
They sure do treat you like a Ho. I've frequently referred to MCK and Tanya as the Pimp and Pimpstress. They are treating you like a Ho when you say they are too busy to clean their own house and then they have you do it. You are being pimped. You ought to just bend over as soon as you walk through the door and take it like the Ho you've been played for.
I don't care if they pay you. It's sick demented leadership when you turn your church members into you personal maids. And the only reason you would even need that sorry job is because they've run you like a dog into poverty and then they psycho scramble brain twist you into believing that they are doing you a favor.
I don't need favors like that. I'm not cleaning the Pimp and the Pimpstresses house for any reason whatsoever and neither is my wife. They ain't playing her like a Ho. Forget that plan. The Kekels use people.
Chief
I'm sure by now RWD is trying to figure out a way to get rid of NTCC pastors and keep the congregation. LOL
1 NCO to another: AAAWWWWSSSSOOOOMMMM!!!
I have been told at one time, women cleaned their homes for free. They only started paying their maids, I mean Sisters after some complaints were made. Maybe it was this blog. Cleaning someone elses house for free. Please...because he's the Pastor. I don't want to clean my own toilet, why would I clean my Pastors toilet for free. That is called BEING PLAYED.
Seems like mck made mdr mad just recently.
Anonymous said...
why would I clean my Pastors toilet for free. That is called BEING PLAYED.
Chief said...
It's called being played when you clean Kekels house even if you get paid. If you need money that bad, go get a real job and let the Pimps clean their own house. It's pretty bad anyway. You give them money in the offering and you get it right back when you clean the Kekel's house. Essentially they didn't pay you anything. They just gave you the money back that was yours in the first place and they got their house cleaned for free. It's a scam, I'm telling you.
Chief
RWD the king of bling with the rolex watch and a diamond pinky ring.
"They only started paying their maids, I mean Sisters after some complaints were made."
taxes arent paid so its not really working outside the home.
Anonymous said...
taxes aren't paid so its not really working outside the home.
Chief said...
Are you serious or joking? If you are joking, I get the sarcasm. If you are serious, WOW! I'd have to surmise that you are joking.
Chief
one of the ways they psycho scramble you Chief is that someone is in charge of "cleaning and working at their house / yard".
So, if you want to have the honor and privelege of doing so, you need to ask their permission first. Then you'll need to get with the person that is in charge.
You'll also need to have an outstanding reputation among them and your peers and be a reflection of a good student to be allowed to cut their grass or clean their house.
Pimpin! They used to pimp the hoes'
now they pimp the fold.
Pimpin' ain't easy.
They have an offering for this
and an offering for that
everytime i'm in church
the pimp is passing his hat
For those of you who haven't seen it here's the Pimps in the Pulpit video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FipM4SNo98Y
a personal message to davis, kekel, and all you others who mis-use the money from donnie swaggart.
listen and think for one instead of brushing it off. honestly consider it
http://youtu.be/nIdTFSIj8AI
Has anyone gone to Kekel's blog and read Kekels lame explanation of why they stopped fellowship meetings? He really insulted NTCC ministers when he gave his explanation. I have no clue how you NTCC ministers put up with that stuff? Do you guys really like being insulted by Kekel like that? He really dogged you guys out on his blog. I wouldn't put up with it. I'd give that clown a piece of my mind.
The worst part is, he dogs you guys out and then you give him your money and have your wives clean his house. Man that guy is such a pimp it's really unbelievable. I've never seen people in my entire life who put up with as much garbage as you guys do in the NTCC. He made you all look like a bunch of little sniveling children. Don't take my word for it, go to his blog and read what Kekel wrote?
If you dismiss what I've written this time, you are real bunch suckers who Kekel says have a problem with everything.
I don't know how in the world you guys stay in an organization, where your CEO dogs you out as bad as Kekel does. Read Kekel's statement and tell me what I'm saying is not true and if you suggest what I'm saying isn't true, I'll call you a liar. Then you'll be a sniveling sucker who is a liar. Boy, you guys are perfect for Kekel.
Good grief, I could use some people like you guys. You'll send your wife to clean my house, you'll give me your money so I can put my son through a Catholic college like Kekel's son, and I can talk to you anyway I want, and you'll just keep coming back for more. Unbelievable!!!!!! Truly unbelievable!!!
Chief
Kekel is like the gift that keeps giving. Just when you think he has begun to wise up a little, he publicly shows his ignorance.
"Contrary to the rumor, it wasn't because the ministers "weren't trusted to conduct the services". mck
Yeah, right. Kekel is an oxygen thief. Now they only have Fellowship Meetings that are supervised with an overseer, now. You hit the nail on the head, Chief. This was one of the most insulting things I've seen Kekel write to date. Way to go Kekel! Way to win friends and influence people!
"Many times ministers are peers or Dorm buddies, so in some ways, the meetings became more than just a financial burden; the burden of resentment. FMs should never be a burden. But for some people, everything is a burden." mck
Christians can't be trusted to be around other Christians. Kekel is looking down his snout at you ministers. "For some people" everything is a burden. The burden of resentment. If you can't be trusted to be around each other without an overseer sneering at you than you might as will take down the banner of Christianity, fold it up and die and go to hell in style. If Christ had the same lack of trust for the people that followed Him, he would have never been able to ascend into heaven and leave them in charge of the church. He was only around most of them for three years and they were ready to set the world on fire.
You are in a cult. Wake up!!!! Smell the coffee. You are providing a service to Kekel and RWD. You are being pimped out to make them money. You are nothing more than a bunch of cheap whores in the eyes of Kekel and Davis.
DnA
I'm glad to hear the sisters are now being paid to clean the toilets of leaders in the church, that is good progress but the crap is still flowing from the lips of people who think it's their right to control and manipulate others even after they leave their so called "church".
Anon said "Seems like mck made mdr mad just recently."
I'm not mad. Just a little "righteous indignation" showing here.
Michael seems to think that people who leave his cult should still bow to him. This is the very reason people leave. His condescending attitude drives people away. He's doesn't get it. Bless his heart. Ask Tanya what "bless his heart" really means.
So, MDR, what does tanya mean when she says 'bless his heart'?
Anon said "So, MDR, what does tanya mean when she says 'bless his heart'?"
I'll tell you if you tell us who you are.
Chief said....
That sounds like a pretty good deal. Quid Pro Quo, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. Way to go MDR.
Chief
Hey MDR,
No body special, Just I. We sat in a Hardy's with Dub-face one night while he was stuffing his face with Chili-dogs.
That night I let the cat out of the bag about the beatings that were being inflicted on a certain helper. R-Dub sat there while we explained the purpose behind the beatings that were being dished out. No bones were broken, maybe a few rug burns but this guy never learned the lesson of Ed Gruberman.
Posting on a droid can be challenging at times and anonymous was used as a short cut to to avoid logging in with passwords and such.
Those were some special times in Augusta, GA. We will never forget the fun we had. I remember that after receiving our assignment to Augusta, being told by more than minister that this work was a "preacher killer". It was at that point that my wife and I determined that we were going to make the best of it. and that we did.
Nice. So what does tanya really mean when she says 'bless his heart'?
I think a lot about what Augusta could have been. Just think if you were allowed to run it like an ordinary Church where the primary focus was winning people to God and not to a organization. If you could stay in one place long enough to build a church. They say that starting a new business usually takes about five years before you turn a profit. I'm not talking about profiting financially in a church but building something that will last and help folks. You were set up for failure because the ntcc wasn't about reaching people for Christ, it was set up to create financial gain for a select few and all the churches were like minor league farming teams.
Just think if you could build a church like Jesus did. People didn't pay to be around Jesus. Jesus never tried to sell them anything. People wanted to be around him. The ntcc has so many rules and ways to make people do what they want them to do for their purposes. But we all survived the best we could under the circumstances that we were forced to operate in.
I was in and out of Augusta because that is where my MOS was located for quite a few years and that church always struggled. People in the ntcc forced themselves to live by the rules because of fear. At first it may be zeal and love but after a few years you are molded into robots and you go through the motions and make the best out of a bad situation. I wonder what the ntcc would be like if it were run according to the New Testament.
1. People would come to services because they wanted to, not because they were mandatory.
2. People would give with a cheerful heart to be a blessing, not because "All Christians pay tithe and give in offerings" (which is very unscriptural by the way).
3. People wouldn't be bled dry for every dime they could spare, while unknowingly their money was being spent on the frivolous excess of the ntcc royal families.
4. Men and women would be allowed to date and have natural relationships and marry the man or woman of their choice.
5. The divorce rate would decrease by more than 100% if the ntcc were really a "Christian" church. Right now the divorce rate in the ntcc is about the same as it is in Hollywood.
Just think if the ntcc lived by the Christian title and example that they claim. The truth is they can't. There are too many rules that make each person live contrary to the bible. All God wants is for you to love Him, and love your neighbor as yourself. God wants us all do justly and have mercy and grace toward others just like it was shown to us. Imagine a world like that! A world where you love people and they love you back. It's not contingent upon how many times you go to church, or how many doors you knock on or how many dollar bills you throw in the offering plate. You walk around in wing tips and paisley ties, requiring women to wear dresses while you coerce people into taking up collections for a $20,000 gold and diamond rolex watch. What do you think, that people are stupid? Yeah, we were a bunch of suckers alright but not any more. You bunch of hypocrites. Beware of the Pharisees, which love to walk around in long robes, and love to be worshiped, sitting in the chief seats in the conferences, binding heavy burdens on others, while you wont even lift a finger, you bunch of hypocrites. Judging people according to your high and lofty standards while you are so filled with pride and wickedness. Weep and howl for the misery that will come upon you. You think you are rich but you are of all men most miserable.
DnA
Wow! Preach on, my brother!
I felt like I was in a service there for a minute.
Don, you said "They say that starting a new business usually takes about five years before you turn a profit. I'm not talking about profiting financially in a church but building something that will last and help folks."
I was discussing this with some friends this very day. The reason that RWD moves the workers around is because those churches are nothing more than money-making outlets that he thinks the preachers have no right to. Therefore, all the moves keep many preachers living on the edge of poverty while his org. sucks up the escrows. Every time a preacher leaves a work, the escrow account is zeroed out. NTCC is nothing more than a ponzi scheme, my brother.
MDR said:
"NTCC is nothing more than a ponzi scheme, my brother."
DnA said:
It sure is. Bernie Madoff made off with a whole bunch of money that he obtained through false pretenses as a Con-man. At least he didn't do it all in God's name and by taking advantage of the good nature of a bunch of Christians. We all learned and continue to learn from RWD and his band of thieves. If I can look back and say that I learned one lesson from the ntcc and it's leaders, I would have to say that I learned "How NOT to be a Christian". How NOT to treat people. How NOT to take advantage of folks. How NOT to be an example of a believer. I know that's like four things, but they all go hand in hand.
The ntcc completely misses the boat when it comes to Christianity. They teach the opposite of what the Bible teaches. They live the opposite of the Life Jesus lived. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise because now we may not know everything but we DO know is how NOT to live.
You were right, it's a Ponzi scheme, nothing more. It's all about money and power and greed with no thought for who they have to step on to get what they want. People in the ntcc are drowning, going down for the last time, and others will hold them under to make their lives a little more luxurious. God sees it all.
DnA
Seriously if you are STILL moaning and groaning YEARS later about a church you do not like,you have some major mental issues! How about you find a new church and move on already? Why do you people subject yourselves to be so miserable? Isn't it time to get a grip and move on?
Anon said "How about you find a new church and move on already?"
We have moved on. We are just exposing the corruption in your crooked organization.
The real question here anon is why are you on this blog if your life is so wonderful? So, who is the one with mental issues?
I'm doing the same thing the NTCC claims they are doing, I'm trying to save souls with this blog. People in the NTCC do their soul winning all week, year after year don't they? So why should I be any less dedicated? I'm saving lives and souls because if you think the likes of Kekel are going to lead you to heaven, you are most miserable with some serious mental issues. If M. Kekel is so spiritual, why is his son attending a secular Catholic college after RWD preached against that kind of stuff for decades? Did you miss that part in church?
If anyone can sincerely answer that question and legitimately justify it, I'll stop posting on the blog for good! In fact, if you can show me how that both RWD and Kekel are justified by Grant attending a secular Catholic college, I'll take this whole blog down for good and I'm a man of my word. Give it your best shot!
Chief
Jeff,
"If anyone can sincerely answer that question and legitimately justify it, I'll stop posting on the blog for good! In fact, if you can show me how that both RWD and Kekel are justified by Grant attending a secular Catholic college, I'll take this whole blog down for good and I'm a man of my word. Give it your best shot!"
Grant is not saved.
That's what they tell you over the pulpit, how else can they justify it. Spare us all, you too, have been brainwashed, wake up. If Grant is not saved then they are aiding him in his sinful life he is leading. Why would any Christian parent do that. His secular education is being paid for by his family, or should I say, our tithe dollars. Just go on believing everything they tell you over the pulpit. You will continue to eat it up.
strategic soulwinning ,saved money in an investment since he was 2,at age of understanding,converted to catholisism,called to st louis,college is no longer a policy,scholarship
now take the blog down
Anon said "Grant is not saved."
How convenient. I remember when they boasted of Grant not only being saved, but filled with the Holy Ghost. I guess RWD missed God on that one, huh!
Remember folks, it's all about semantics with these con-artist.
Anonymous said...
Grant is not saved.
Chief said...
That doesn't justify why RWD reamed out ministers in conference, while claiming that if their children didn't attend the NTCS, they weren't a good examples of what Christian parents should be. Not only that but Grant was never set up to quote, "be saved". In other words that was never the plan for him and here is the proof.
A while back my wife pulled up information on Charles Wright Academy, the private school Grant attended throughout high school. There was a statement on Charles Wright Academy's website saying that 100% of Charles Wright graduates were accepted into College. Charles Wright is what's called a "Feeder School" meaning that the school is an institution which provides a significant number of graduates who intend to continue their studies at specific schools, or even in specific fields. Well in Charles Wright's case, a "significant number" is an understatement being that %100 of their graduates are accepted into universities with the obvious specific intent of "continuing" their education.
The Kekels knew that all along and Grant continuing his education in college was the plan for years, don't kid yourself in thinking otherwise.
If the Kekels didn't intend for Grant to go to a secular college, then why in the world would they send him to a private academy and allow him to play football while knowing all along that %100 of Charles Wright's graduates would continue on to further their education at a real college? Come on, I wasn't born yesterday. The plan was never for Grant to be "saved" according to RWDs standards and attend the NTCS.
Not only that, why did they have to send him to a Catholic college of all places? The Great Whore as I heard taught in the NTCC. Additionally, being that the Kekels were such poor Christian parents (according to RWDs own rantings in conference), why are they still in charge of a supposed Christian organization? The Kekels are not even what RWD used to consider as "good Christian parents" being that they didn't have enough positive influence on their son that he would go to attend the NTCS.
Face it, we all got "played" and if you can't see it you are blind as a bat. RWD and the Kekels knew all along that Grant was being prepped to go anywhere other than the NTCS. And guess who paid for the whole deal? Us suckers? I suppose that Grant was going to the first and only Charles Wright graduate who didn't attend College at a credited university? Yeah right, you expect me to believe that?
Chief
now take the blog down said...
college is no longer a policy
Chief said...
It was never a "policy". RWD, the man who did everything by the Holy Ghost and who never missed God said that if your Children didn't attend the NTCS you were a failure as a Christian parent. That statement had nothing to do with policy, it came from GAWD!!! So did God change his mind, or are RWD and the Kekel's hypocrites? What you wrote is not justification. Try again, the blog stays up.
Chief
Grant went to Charles Wright, then moved on to Annie Wright academy. He graduated from Annie Wright. If I am not mistaken. Of course, all these graduates go on to University. And yes, the tuition at these schools is 20,000.00 and upwards per year. I checked too. These schools are the most prestigious schools in all of Pierce county, Graham is in Pierce county.
All paid for with our tithe dollars. Yea, we where suckers too.
What does this mean, "college is no longer policy"?
it's not policy. There are a bunch of ministers and students that are going to college. I heard the minister in amarillo is going for a teaching degree.
I really don't know much about this subject because it is just things that you hear here and there so this would be hearsay.
But the rules change every time.
I remember the times in conference where it was said that "I don't make the rules, you do!"
Anonymous quoted...
I don't make the rules, you do
Chief said...
Yeah, in theory that sounds great until you get blasted and black listed because the rules that you made either didn't correspond with RWD's or your pastor's thoughts on the subject. Back in the day, you could have tried that mess if you wanted to but you would have been nailed to the cross. Man every pastor I ever had without exception blasted their congregants for not going along with what they taught or what RWD taught.
Mayers would use the pulpit to rip you apart, and I witnessed Hunt doing the same. Oberhauser took a crack at the same approach toward the end of my time in the NTCC. Ramirez was a beast, and back in the day, Taylor could be ruthless. Madrano was no pussy cat either. Go against these guys or RWD if you wanted to and see where that would get you?
The cold shoulder, the blacklist, and a hard time, PERIOD.
Yeah, so the statement, "I don't make the rules, you do" had no substance. It may have sounded good but it had no substance.
Chief
Anonymous said...
Grant went to Charles Wright, then moved on to Annie Wright academy.
Chief asked...
Are those two academy's kind of one in the same? Charles Wright Academy's website displayed Grant's graduation picture. Of course I wouldn't know for sure but I personally looked at Charles Wright's website and saw Grant's picture there in his graduation clothes. It certainly appeared that he graduated from Charles Wright and he was listed as a football player there as a senior. I don't know anything about an "Annie Wright".
Either way, I know where he is at college now because his name is listed on the roster. He is going to a Catholic college in St. Louis which type of thing was frowned upon not many years ago. If it's not frowned upon now, it's only because of Grant who happens to be RWD's grandson. Go figure.
Chief
Well, it doesn't matter where he went to school really, the point is that he is in college and I was told that the parents made a big deal and mck gave a sort of congratulation speech on a sunday morning, to the graduate, saying that he was really proud of gk,and that he was going to the university there in st. louis because he was given a scholarship.
The point that you are trying to make is that when you and I started attending ,the rules were different.
Yes, all the pastors had the same
attitude about how to rule their church. They would preach with both barrels loaded, it didn't matter if people were ran-off, by the way they preached, but you know they were taught to be that way because that is what they learned from going to bible school and hearing all the others preach that way.
It seems that the days of elijah are over, not!
what is this college is no longer a policy thing ? Davis used to blast people for wanting to go to college to further their education.
the only reason they changed on things is because they can't do their deeds in the dark like they used to.
and about talking about a church that we don't like years later and having mental issue and being miserable.
No one is miserable. We are happy serving God and being real christians. There is nothing wrong with pointing out the hypocrisy of kekel, davis, and others like them.
yes, they are hypocrites who mangle words and doctrines to keep the sheeple happy.
all these "changes" are because their sinful deeds have been brought to light.
Jesus said the things one does will be brought to light so if you don't like it take it up with Him.
Kekel once said "there ain't nothing changing"
Yet it has.
Davis said people that "leave" have ill endings to their life, yet none of this has happened .
Does not this make them false prophets according to the Bible ?
why is kekel so worried about us reprobates going to visit another reprobate in oregon ?
shouldn't he be concerned with getting souls saved ?
Didn't Jesus say to leave them alone if they don't repent ?
why wont kekel and davis follow the bible like any real christian does ?
Anonymous said...
I was told that the parents made a big deal and mck gave a sort of congratulation speech on a sunday morning, to the graduate, saying that he was really proud of gk,and that he was going to the university there in st. louis because he was given a scholarship.
Chief said...
And I understand exactly why MCK would announce that. He would certainly want to place emphasis on the Scholarship part to give the impression that Grants college is being payed for by someone other than them. Well like I said in the other thread; my daughter has a college scholarship that covers her tuition. There are a lot of other expenses in college like books, room and board, food etc. We are still talking about nearly $10,000 per year and then if you add car expenses and other expenses, colleges ain't cheap by any means. Kekel would announce that in an attempt make people think that the Kekels don't have to pay for Grant's college. Well you better believe they are paying something cause colleges are expensive even if you do have scholarships. Especially for kids who drive their own car. Insurance for someone under 25 is expensive even if they are on your policy.
Once again, I pay for my own kids and I will NOT pay one dime for the Kekel's kid or any other NTCC kid by giving my money to the NTCC. Those days are over, I learned my lesson. I have my own family to look out for as the Bible says I should.
Chief
Think about it though, if a minister has a degree he would make more money, so the NTCC would get more tithe from them. Most of the ministers in Graham are not college educated. Thus their tithe will not be great either. The NTCC needs to get the dough somewhere. I would be very surprised if there is any persons with a ministers license seeking a college or university degree in Graham. I really don't hear it being encouraged in any way.
How can a man work a full time job, be in every service, saturday soul winning and support a wife and maybe kids. Where is the time for college going to come from. I don't know. And as far as I know, if you are a minister, there is NO excuse for missing a service or soul winning, except extreme illness. That's the way they seem to run things in Graham. Of course, it could be more lax in other states regarding the ministers requirements. I think they are more strict in Graham at the NTCC empire headquarters. I am being sarcastic, but you get my drift.
Anonymous said...
Think about it though, if a minister has a degree he would make more money, so the NTCC would get more tithe from them.
Chief said...
You are right if it weren't for the fact that RWD and Kekel already have plenty of money, so the question is, what motivates them? Power and control. They love it. You can tell by what Kekel says and what he writes. He can't stand not being in control of people hence all the stupid rules that require permission for everything. RWD and Kekel get off on that stuff.
RWD is a millionaire so why doesn't he simply purchase his own guns, knives and watches? Because he thrives on manipulating people and the control he exerts over them. He throws a hint out there concerning a gun he is interested in and he determines how loyal you are based on your reaction. It's not that he doesn't have the money, he has plenty of money. If you don't gather the money and go get him what he is hinting about, he knows he is loosing your loyalty and that means way more to him than the money. You really have to understand a control freak to understand Kekel and RWD and I'm not kidding one single bit. You learn about people who thrive on having control over others just by attending a simple psychology class. Well RWD may be the biggest control monger I've ever met and Kekel is following right in his foot steps while simply using a different approach. I've been saying this for years and some folks just can't seem to get it.
Because I've spent so many years in the military, I've finally learned to recognize those kinds of people. To a narcissist, control is way more important than money, especially if they already have plenty of money. For may rapists it's the same way. Sure they get into the act but many of them get off on the control they can impose on a defenseless woman. Why do you think RWD runs around punching people all the time. Because he gets off on knowing that they won't hit him back and that act solidifies his position of control. If someone knocked out that fat pig one good time, he'd stop all that mess.
Some of y'all think I'm way out there but I know exactly what I'm talking about. I recognize RWD's kind and his psychological traits. I just wish I'd recognized it clearly years ago. Every cult has a serious control freak running the show and he demands subjection and that is how he gets you and that is how he gets a "LOT" of your money over a long period of time. And that is exactly why RWD doesn't want women to work. That dude is definitely going to be in control of women completely because that is the way his mind operates. He can't control a woman who has a job and if he can't control the woman, he certainly can't control the husband until the husband either puts that woman in check or gets rid of her. RWD loves to dominate women. I know exactly what I'm talking about.
Chief
i don't know if anyone ever told you Chief but i just remembered today, that those of us who stayed in the dorm had our mail screened and they would throw away what they felt wasn't needed.
It was frowned upon if you got your own mailbox like at the post office.
Chief said "He throws a hint out there concerning a gun he is interested in and he determines how loyal you are based on your reaction."
And if you don't get the hint He keeps throwing them out there until you do. Ask me how I know this.
What!!!! they screened your mail. So what mail would they throw out, mail from a relative or a possible girlfriend. That is crazy, how long ago would this have been? They had absolutely no right to screen your mail, why did you not run at that point? I would have said I think this seminary is not for me.
Anonymous asked...
They had absolutely no right to screen your mail, why did you not run at that point?
Chief said...
It's not that easy to run even with all that stuff going on. The NTCC leadership is good at convincing you that your family is the devil and they justify rules like having your mail sent to one of their mailboxes. Oh yeah, this subject has been brought up before many times. In fact I did a thread which included this issue. Pastor Snyder used to do the same thing in a serviceman's home in Columbus Georgia by actually confiscating and opening the mail before it ever even got to the brother. One of the brothers told me. Additionally, one of the rules written in the NTCS (New Testament Christian Seminary) handbook was that students at the NTCS were required to have all mail sent to a designated mailbox at the NTCS compound. Having your mail sent elsewhere wasn't just frowned upon, it was a total violation of written NTCS rules. You can find the rule written in one of the links referencing the NTCS student handbooks contained in the website below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_Christian_Churches_of_America
See the NTCC leadership understood that family members had strong influence on people attending the NTCS so therefor the NTCC leadership would censor the mail sent to the students and even people living in the serviceman's homes. Once again I know this for a fact because I was told that Snyder used to do it and this explained why the NTCC leadership required you to use one of "their" mailboxes at the NTCS. If they knew that a parent for example was trying to influence you to leave the NTCC, the NTCC leadership might open the mail and read the contents or confiscate it altogether and you'd never see it. It's like censorship in a communist state. Oh, we've definitely written about this subject before. Frankly the practice of screening, censoring and discarding mail is criminal. This is just another reason many of us refer to the NTCC as a cult. They fit the description with examples like this.
Chief
Chief said:
"Frankly the practice of screening, censoring and discarding mail is criminal."
DnA said:
Tampering with someone else's mail is a federal offense punishable by prison time. You are right Chief, the ntcc is a big time cult, and this kind of stuff exposes them for who they really are. They are not Christians, or ministers of the gospel, but they are busybodies, walking to and fro in the earth and up and down in it. They are meddling in peoples personal lives. Going through peoples mail and deciding for them, which mail they are going to allow them to see.
These people are not Christians. They are dangerous and need to be exposed for what they are. Making up rules that have nothing to do with Christianity and enforcing them like the Gestapo. The ntcc is a mind control center, designed to manipulate people into making a few select individuals rich and the sick thing about it is that they do it all in the name of God. They use Jesus and the fear of hell to coerce you into buying them new cars and houses and expensive frivolous items, while they control every aspect of your life. They are a cult and the leaders are not saved. Kekel is not a Christian. His wife is not a Christian. Davis and Verna are not Christians. The things they do have nothing to do with Christianity. They are very bad and dangerous people.
They read this blog every day and they know that they are guilty of all their wicked ways that have been exposed on this blog. Rather than coming on here and clearing their names they will attack the credibility of those whose credibility they helped destroy. They will drag your name through the dirt and talk about you like a bunch of dogs. In the absence of Mercy there is pride and evil prospers.
DnA
By the way the word verification was "thieve" on that last comment.
I am not kidding. How fitting for a bunch of thieves.
Where did everyone go? I need some company. I guess I got to go visit an NTCC church so I can get some fellowship? All my exer buddies have bugged out on me!
Chief
Looks like Google tried to fix word verification. Now I can hardly read it. Everything has become such a burden. I guess Kekel was right.
Chief said:
"Everything has become such a burden. I guess Kekel was right."
DnA said:
Nobody knows the trouble that I've seen.
Ha, ha.
Chief
Hmmn. Those new word verification symbols are harder to make out than the previous set-up. Shrinking and expanding the size sometimes helps.
Off I go to sing the blues. :o)
Yeah, the PO Box 930, Graham WA 98338 is used by the Printshop and Indoctrination School. They hand sorted it before they later put in little lock boxes that they've give you a combination for in the School Office building. They would essentially throw any magazines that they felt were inappropriate (GQ, Men's Health, etc.) or pornographic (Maxim, FHM, Playboy, etc.), but who knows if they ever would throw away stuff from an ex-girlfriend or family member. That would be interesting to find out if anyone knew stuff had been thrown away. Maybe Devin Butler could give some insight?
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