To the left is a picture of a woman with a JOB!!! Something that apparently Tanya Kekel knows all about.
On the previous thread Double Ugh, (D.U.) wrote...
A recent conversation got me thinking about how much better my husband and I are doing since leaving the NTCC. I have a good paying job...which I never would have had if we stayed.
Before we left, we spent much time in the Word reading and talking about whether a woman can work on a job or not. We came to the conclusion that it is not against the Bible for a woman to work on a job.
When I talked to Tanya Kekel about the fact that my husband and I decided to leave the organization, she of course wanted to know why, and I gave her some explanation. I told her that I had decided to work.
I was amazed at what came out of her mouth next! She said it's okay if I have a job and that there are many women in the NTCC that work.
I told her that my understanding was that it is looked down upon and preached against.
She said it is not preached against! Then she asked me when was the last time I heard Kekel preach against it.
I told her I can't remember, but I know it has been. She almost made me feel stupid...but we all know better. I told her that I don't want to get preached at for having a job.
Now, I know I did not just imagine that the NTCC preaches and teaches against women working! Kekel even wrote in his blog that it is against the Bible!!! So, did she flat out lie to me?!?
Chief said....
Imagine that and the answer is YES; she flat out lied to you. She knows better. Nothing about the NTCC leadership surprises me anymore. Flip flopping, double standard hypocrites. That's all you have with the NTCC leadership and Tanya is no exception. Look at Tanya's response: "Then she asked me when was the last time I heard Kekel preach against it."
So they've flip flopped on that one now also!!! I guess Kekel doesn't preach on that anymore, do you think? Who knows with the NTCC leadership. Who knows what they believe and what they don't. I know one thing they believe along with so many other crooked churches: "All Christians pay tithe and give in the offering". "You can't out give Gawd". They won't ever flip flop on that part.
213 comments:
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Mabnng,
I agree with Vic! It's good therapy for your soul, so write on! There are many people here that can relate to your experience.
Deborah
meh, never mine. Wrong Oritz I believe.
Mabnng,
Do yourself a favor and don't go back to any such church, HOP, NTCC or any like that. They are cults and you need to understand how to identify such churches. And by the way, you never lost out with God. You were part of a destructive cult which God was not a part of from the start. I know enough about HOP to be able to say that for sure. If you get a chance, give me a call so we can talk. I think I can help you sort all this out. I was part of the NTCC for years and I knew Denis before he started HOP and I know what you went through. Denis is a crook and his followers are deceived and misguided. If you think you are following the Lord but you are really following a crook, you are still following a crook, not the Lord. Please call.
706-905-8554
Jeff
After Tanya was gone there was another sweet sweet girl named Michelle and they did the same exact thing to her but took it even further. Joe and Michelle got plenty alone time together and in later emails with Joe I learned that Kuhns was trying to push the two of them together because Joe liked her and Kuhns wanted her to stay.
Gosh, there is so much more—went to conference in GA, watched people literally worship Denis…at some point tensions between Kuhns and Denis were fierce. It was after the new house was purchased, female serviceman’s home, things were just tense and all of us members were worn out. I’d spend evenings crying because I was just so exhausted and torn. Then, Kuhns announced we were leaving the big HOPCC, we’d still be HOP but we’d have more time and could do personal things like relax and on and on. I think we were all of separated for a week or two and then, Kuhns said he needed his car (I was borrowing it) so that they could drive to Hinesville and work things out because he was wrong and he failed us as a pastor and so many other things. It was right before I was to deploy and I was a wreck. I remember sitting in that car and just crying and crying and crying, sobbing hard tears because I was so confused and didn’t know what was real or right anymore and because people that I had been so close to and spent every day with for the last year were leaving right before I was to deploy. I felt SO alone. With Kuhns gone and Heidler running things, everything was just strange and off. And then of course, they stalk you, and you feel guilty, and they had Rev. Robertson and Pam there at the church now to play “clean up” Sister Derrick moved in as well.
Finally I deployed. Then of course a care package, with Bible School CDs, magazines, letters and emails trying to work that guilt to get me back. It is such an emotional trip.
I did start going to a real church while in Iraq and started getting involved
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This is missing a lot. I just wanted to get it out and vent what I could. I’m also looking to see if any of these people are in or out. Scott Dinse, Joe Breen, The Kuhns, Sis Derrick, a lady named Sarah (don’t remember last name. They were helping spread that prayer line phone number. I can only assume the Robertsons are “right hand mans” and in for life…. I did find Sis Ortiz from Fort Irvin on Facebook. She escaped. So glad I have a place to vent now. All this was buried until I found out NTCC set up a church in the town I just moved to (Frederick, MD) and it brought back all of this.
Mabnng,
It's good to discuss what you went through but trust me on this one; it's not good to post too much of your own personal information. When all is said and done, that will just cause you more problems. You don't want your most personal business floating around the internet even if you don't post your real name. I did you a favor and removed some of the stuff you posted for your own good. I'm a slightly older dude pushing 50 and I was in the NTCC for years and I've been moderating this blog for a few years also and I'm trying to look out for what's best for you.
Please call me. 706-905-8554
Sincerely,
Chief
mabnng,
Your first step to getting on with your life and a productive life is for you to come to the true realization of exactly what you were a part of. Life doesn't have to be extremes one way or the other. It can definitely be in the middle. My life has so thoroughly improved since I left the NTCC and got that junk out of my head for good. No more senseless guilt, no more questions about God, and no more going back in my mind to the folks who I was with in the NTCC. The people I knew who are still in the NTCC or in this case HOP, are some seriously mixed up, deceived, mislead individuals and I promise you that is the case.
Denis is a crook and a fake and it's just that simple and if you are following one of his pastors, you are following him. If you think you are following Jesus in a situation like that, you are probably not doing it Jesus' way. Jesus had a huge problem with the Pharisees and HOP is no different and neither is the NTCC.
Having been out for a few years now after greater than a decade, I went thru a lot of spiritual and mental healing. I thought I was doing well. I've had a REAL relationship with God now and it's awesome. We're like BFF's now! =) Anyway, my children still have severe anger, pain, etc from being drug there and living the way we did. I so regret it. We've had great positive changes though but there is still a lot more to go. This past weekend was one of the worst weekends of my life b/c of a situation I went thru with my oldest. It turned out for the good and I mean really good in the end b/c I left it in God's hands and did as He directed me to do. The main thing I'm getting to is it made me realize I still have so much pain and bitterness I need to work thru. I won't get into the very personal details of what all happened, which is stemmed from the past (not on here anyway) but it reminded me my children and I endured severe trauma and pain from life situations. NO ONE from NTCC gave a flying leap about us. There is just so much to how thru a couple of traumatic life experiences, with NO family, at all, literally, no friends outside of NTCC, I had NO WHERE to turn and no one that cared so we digressed into the nothingness they want their puppets to be. Shut up, soul win, pay tithe, repeat. The final thing brushed off was when I married one of the preachers (he's still there - he'd never want to leave and look bad or like he's not a christian - after all, they still believe he is . . . . b/c he payes $ to get them to believe so) the one with the the spousal control, abuse, lack of anything Christian, etc and the LEADERS in the organization where like shut up and deal with it. That's not what was said it was more like what do you want me to do? You married him. I had SO much anger that they destroy people, families, lives. I want someone to stop them! Stop them from what they are doing. They are hurting so many people. BUT I left it in God's hands. I know he'll deal with it but if there were ever a group to try to make a change I'd stand with them. I'm glad God is the center of my life now and not some abusive dictator. Ok - done venting.
K,
None of this is your fault. You have suffered at the hands of some very hateful and unscrupulous people. It's okay to be angry, upset, mad and even outraged. You're not the one with the problem they are. They wreck people's lives and kick them to the curb expecting them to pick up the pieces.
It's not easy to piece your life back together but it sounds like you're taking the right steps. Hang in there and feel free to share things on the blogs. We all been through more than a person should have to go through in the Christian Church. Sometimes it helps to just share things.
I just recently left NTCC for the 2nd and last time. When I read all these comments I so relate. We are shunned by them, which saddens me because I still believe in Christ and try to lead my life through him but they view us as leaving the church means you left God too... Well if that were true, shouldn't they help that person out, instead they ignore and shun you... There are many reasons we left and in my heart of hearts I will always love them all but I'm glad we are finally gone. I feel FREE to be who I am in Christ, thank you Jesus.
Good for you--another refugee from the madness which is NTCC. Whatever possessed you to go back? Bet you won't do THAT again! I felt such deliverance when I left that getting sucked back in wasn't an option...they must have put some strong guilt on you.
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