(Continuation) "SFC Johnson: I Need Your Help" Part II

Thread #31 I am starting this thread at the request of SFC Johnson. I figured, "why not" being that the last SFC Johnson thread did so well, and there was so much participation. Also, with much prayer, "It seemed good to the Lord." NOT!!! That is the statement that NTCC ministers made regularly when they didn't otherwise, from a logical standpoint, have a clue what action should have been taken.

Let me break it down a little bit further. I will start with "It seemed". I looked up the word seemed in the dictionary and it means: "to give the outward appearance of being or to pretend to be" So when an NTCC minister says, "It seemed", it means that there is nothing conclusive to what they are about to say next which in this case is the word "good." Now let me break this down. Good is the opposite of bad so when someone says, "It seemed good", that means it appeared to be good but it actually could be bad because it only "seemed" good.

Now let me continue with the part where they throw in, "to the Lord." That part of the statement is no more than a bunch of super-spiritual, phony baloney, holier than thou mumbo jumbo. You see they throw that part in the statement because they don't expect anyone to question the quote "Lord." Why didn't they just say that "it seemed good to me"? That is all it really was anyway, because if it was truly from the lord, it wouldn't "seem" like anything, it would be that way. Why didn't they say it "is" good to the Lord? Because they don't have ANY IDEA whether it is good to the Lord or not, and because they don't want to take any responsibility for their decision, they place it all on the Lord but conveniently throw in the disclaimer "seemed." And in doing that, they can say they didn't ever know for certain whether it was good to the Lord or not, when everything goes wrong.

There you go SFC Johnson; how do you like that? Ha, ha.

Jeff

SFC Johnson: I Need Your Help

Thread #30

SFC Johnson: Please give me a call at 404-405-7842 when you get a chance. I am working on something that you could potentially play a huge role in.

For all that don't know, SFC Johnson was involved with the NTCC for a long time and he and his wife experienced some serious abuse that was dished by NTCC pastors. He has posted on here extensively and he is quite passionate when writing about all the garbage that he and his family had to put up with. I can totally relate because I think he and I are in a race to see who can tell the greatest number NTCC horror stories. I don't think this blog could contain all of mine and his put together. I know; not literally.

SFC Johnson: We need someone to contract us to write a book about our unbelievable experiences while with the NTCC. It would probably become a #1 seller and we would become millionaires. I initially said this in joking but in the last one minute I realize that it's actually worth thinking about. Nevertheless that is not what I would like to talk to you about because what I would like to talk to you about is of much greater importance. Our Soldiers. I need your help hooah.

Jeff

I Posted This Comment On Factnet About A Year Ago The Topic Is Relevant To Recent Decisions About Wealth That Only A Select Few In The NTCC Possess

Thread #28 I posted this before and I am throwing it back to the top to see if I can get more takers. I really feel that this tells a lot about the NTCC leadership.

If I were a preacher, I personally would not be interested in telling the people in church: "The more that you give in the offering, the more that you will be blessed". Is that why half of your NTCC pastors are essentially broke? Just because you give sacrificially to a crooked church organization, does not mean that you will be blessed. If I give sacrificially to a pimp will I be blessed? Give to someone that is poor and needs it and you will be blessed. Cornelius gave alms and God blessed him. That is Biblical proof. I would rather give to the poor than put another dime into Davis’s greedy organization. I would rather help someone that has a true need than to help Kekel and Davis just get richer. What did Jesus tell the young rich man? Sell what you have and give to the POOR. He didn’t say give sacrificially to the Rich which Davis and Kekel obviously fall in the category of so that they can have bigger houses and more land and so that Grant can attend a high school that costs about $20,000 anually. And they do this while their Pastors who have dedicated there lives to God and the Org financially struggle. The Pastors helpers also struggle because many of them find it difficult to get a decent job that only requires them to work 8 to 5, Mon – Fri. So Davis and Kekel get richer while the vast majority of everyone else remain in a perpetual state of poverty.

They convince people to give while displaying a scripture in the NTCC doctrinal statement that has absolutely nothing to do with paying tithes: 1Cor 16:2. That scripture deals with giving to poor Christians/Saints in Jerusalem. Read 1Cor 16:2 and reference it against Rom 15:26. You guys are being willfully deceptive in using that scripture in your doctrinal statement to support tithes. What do you think; we are all just stupid? 1Cor 16.2 has nothing to do with tithing. I am challenging ANYONE out in cyberspace or in the NTCC to prove me wrong!! If you can't prove me wrong, which you won't be able to, than that is proof that the NTCC leadership is willfully deceitful. All you have to do to view the NTCC doctrinal statement, is go on the NTCCs official web site, and look under "we believe", and there you will find the NTCC's doctrinal statement. 1Cor 16:2 deals with helping out the less fortunate folks in the Christian Church. When it come right down to it you guys are nothing more than a bunch of prosperity preachers. The difference is, unlike the big prosperity churches; your system makes it almost impossible for your "faithful" church members and preachers to prosper minus a select few. The schedule that you maintain doesn't allow most people to find and or work a decent job. Consequently the only answer is, "Get the money from the people", which you have no problem preaching. The laborer is worthy of his hire does not mean get filthy rotten rich off of your church members while they struggle financially. It definitely doesn’t mean that the NTCC CEO, President, and Founder stay filthy rotten rich while their pastors and church members struggle in the depths of poverty literally below what is considered the poverty level.

Jeff

Many NTCC pastors Lack Common Decency And They Don't Truly Care About Their Church Members And Specifically Their Pregnant Church Members

Thread #27 I pasted this from a previous thread.

In my opinion the NTCC did just about everything short of murdering people. That may sound extreme but I actually mean that.

Another NTCC Sister that I have never talked to before, called me last night and told me of yet another case where a woman was driven to such extreme soul winning while she was pregnant, that she had a miscarriage. Now can I say from a factual, medical standpoint that for sure she "had the miscarriage" because she was guilt tripped into soul winning so much during her pregnancy by her abusive NTCC pastor? Of course not. Can I say that her NTCC pastor lacked basic consideration and common decency and that he was definitely an abusive jerk? Most definitely. Can I say that a woman can be driven to miscarrying her baby due to too much strenuous activity. Yes and this is why.

My wife was driven to do so much for the NTCC church including "much" soul winning that her OBGYN ordered her to bed rest because she was having premature contractions that came months in advance. During that time Mayers was consistently asking when she would be back to church and back to doing all the NTCC activities which includes soul winning. She regularly continued to go soul winning right up to her 7th month until her doctor and I finally put our foot down. Mayers biggest concern was his sorry church program and not the people in it. As I already stated, she finally did stop but she definitely went on far longer than she should have with all that church business and soul winning.

I hold a lot of guilt because I allowed it to continue as long as I did. We left Mayers church for good before my wife ever gave birth to our son. I got sick and tired of his abuse, but I am guilty of allowing it to be perpetuated much longer than I should have.

Bro J. said the same thing happened to his wife but she actually had a miscarriage and the other sister that called me last night told me the same story!!!! Do these pastors care about the well being of their church members? Absolutely not; and when a pastor doesn't even care about a woman who is pregnant and he doesn't care about her unborn child's well being, that is the next worse thing to murder in my genuine opinion.

Driving a pregnant woman like a slave is about as bad as you can get.

Jeff

NTCC's Views on Women

Thread #26 I want to start a thread about all the bad things that women had to endure in NTCC. NTCC has a very old fashioned view of women, which they say they get from the Bible. Their basic belief, and this is certainly evidenced by their practices, is that women are stupid and only good for cleaning the house, cooking the food, having sex and making babies. At least when they are not telling you that it is not a good idea to have a baby. Women are NOT allowed to have a leadership role in church, with the exception of Tanya and a few other UPPER CLASS NTCC woman. There may be some biblical validity to women not holding certain leadership roles in the church, but why is Tanya Kekel the biggest exception to that rule in the NTCC? Nepotism but that is a whole different subject. If you listen to Davis for any length of time, you really get the impression that he thinks pretty lowly of women.

It doesn't matter how smart you are, or how educated you are. If you are a woman and join NTCC, you will never get to use your talents period. Of course once again, not unless you are Tanya. I know a lot of educated and intelligent women in NTCC who hated fellowshipping with the typical sister, because all they talked about was coupons and babies and sewing and thrift stores, and if they were the UPPER CLASS, shopping at real stores and buying NEW items not USED.

If you want to talk about politics, or the economy, or issues of any real importance, you'd better find another church if you are a woman, because it is a rare occurrence that you will discuss those topics with any of the "Male" leaders. But, according to NTCC, if you are a woman, those intelligent topics are for men only and that is certainly the impression that RWD gives. Why do I say that?

How often during a fellowship, either out at a restaurant, or in the serviceman's home, do you see men and women fellowshipping together? Not often unless they are eating and often they are separated there also. What's a stupid woman doing wanting to talk politics? Of course, in the real world, women make great leaders, and hold positions in all kinds of intelligent fields. A lot of great inventions and ideas in this world have been created by women. If they had belonged to the NTCC none of it would have happened, because Davis would have reminded them how they were nobodies or second class so to speak, and were only suppose to cook, clean and have sex. NTCC is so out of touch with reality on this issue it's incredible. Read Proverbs Chapter 31 and that will put thing back into perspective. I also have seen women in NTCC who were better leaders and decision makers than their preacher husbands. And if you are a married women in NTCC, forget about working on a job-- it is not allowed and Jeff has covered that topic extensively.

I have personally witnessed Davis tearing women down for no good reason. I remember once sitting in a class while Davis proceeded to criticize a new sister because she wore a bow in her hair. It was a very strong criticism in front of the whole class. The poor girl was crying and Davis could care less. Those of us sitting there couldn't believe we were witnessing this senseless act of cruelty by Davis. And what was his point? Who cared if she had a bow in her hair? What if one of us had started to criticize his daughter because her dresses were too tight?

Feel free to share your stories-- I know there are ALOT of horror stories out there.

Casey

Once Again; Double Standards

Thread #25 This morning I was rereading some older FACTNet messages and I found this one written by an exNTCC minister. The Minister was giving his account of a discussion that he had with the Johnson's shortly before he left the NTCC for good. What he wrote just highlights once again, that the NTCC makes exceptions to the rule of "you either don't do this or you are going to hell."

We all know that NTCC women have never been allowed to wear makeup for any reason, or they were considered "Hell Bound". Well every woman would have been considered "Hell Bound" except, Sis Johnson and maybe a few select others that I don't know of. All other NTCC women were going to hell if they even tried it, and for those ladies, there were no exceptions authorized to that rule for ANY REASON. Once again; can you spell double standard. Well without further ado, posted below is the statement that was written and posted on FACTNet by the exNTCC Minister who got sick and tired of the NTCC double standards so he left.

ExNTCC Minister said...

"I also learned with the Johnson’s that not all make-up is make-up. Sis Johnson told me and my wife that she wears some kind of cover up for her rosy cheeks condition. My wife was blown away. Sis. Johnson said she did not consider it make-up."

Jeff said...

Here is the way I see it. I understand that Mrs. Johnson has a skin condition and I have no problem with her not only feeling the need to, but also actually covering it up with makeup. Well guess what? Do you know how many NTCC women have some kind of skin problem whether it be acne, or some kind of mild skin blotches, or they just don't like the coloration of their skin and as a result they would rather alter their skin color with makeup? I'm sure plenty.

So what does this mean? That Mrs. Johnson gets a break because her husband is a leader in the church!!! Period.

The NTCC stinks!!!

Jeff Collins

Oh, incidentally: NTCC folks always like to say that we are nothing but a bunch of fault finders. I'm not the one who tried to enforce the rule of wearing No makeup in the first place; it was the NTCC.

The NTCC has Found Fault with every woman in history who has worn makeup. So don't say I'm the fault finder when I'm simply highlighting the occurrence of one of your own ladies breaking your OWN RULE. You hypocrites don't have any problem finding fault with EVERYONE ELSE who wears makeup. How about starting with one of your own like Mrs. Johnson who is NOT a Church Member. You won't because you are too weak.

For Years The NTCC Leaders Have Instituted Ridiculous Rules For Their Church Members To Follow. Let’s create a List Of Absurd NTCC Rules

Thread #24 Believe it or not, this very topic was one of the main reasons that my wife and I left the NTCC. We got so sick and tired of the NTCC leaders devising some of the most ludicrous, nonsensical, shortsighted, simpleminded rules that I have ever seen in my life. So many of these rules were no more than the result of a knee jerk reaction made by an illogical NTCC leader.

I am going to start the list with one example headlined below. As hard as I know it will be, because I know there were and still are so many ridicules rules; please respond with only ONE example. If we follow the criteria requested, of responding with just one senseless rule; this should allow for, and result in, a greater number of participants. If one calender day goes by and there is something else that you want to add that hasn't already been listed, by all means do so. Once again, I am trying this method in an attempt to boost participation.

Ludicrous rule #1: For years and years the NTCC leadership refused to allow church members to go out and eat with ministers after fellowship meetings. I complained about that rule constantly to at least two different pastors. I was told by one pastor that when I went to Bible school, I would understand the reason for separating church members from eating with ministers. I told him that it didn't matter how they justified the rule; I wouldn't understand because it didn't make sense. He did not like my response at all. Oh well! This went on for about 6 years and fellowship meeting attendance dropped through the floor. Finally right before I left the NTCC, they changed the rule so that you could go eat with ministers after fellowship meetings. Imagine that; silly me all along. Can you spell a "KNEE JERK REACTION", which is what started the rule in the first place?

This should be not only a fun, but also an eye opening thread.

Jeff

Hypocrites Are Constantly Trying To Justify Themselves And Mike Kekel is no Exception To That Rule.

Thread #23 Mike Kekel recently started a thread on his blog titled "Give me a break" I'm quite confident that his thread is in response to many of us saying that Mike has changed the NTCC rules that NTCC members were previously REQUIRED to follow. Below I have posted a few statements that Mr. Kekel made on his blog and then below his statement I will decipher the inner meaning of the statement. How am I qualified to do this? Because I am like Rush Limbaugh and I have those NTCC folks figured out. Ha, ha.

Mike said...

"So it is spiritually; no rules or bible commands can make us obey, we must choose to bring ourselves into compliance, we must yield! Through the Holy Spirit we have the power and authority to maintain absolute control."

Jeff said...

What Mike was saying here is that no one can make us, or did make us obey anything. He stated this in response to the grievances that have been written by exNTCCers insisting that we were made to follow certain NTCC rules that seem to be no longer rules at all. Now Kekel is technically right. No one could make us do anything, correct? Correct! However what NTCC pastors could do, and did do, and still do, is make the lives of their church members absolutely miserable, service after service by singling them out and quote "blasting" them into submission, until they yielded not to the Holy Spirit, but to every whim of the immature, abusive pastor. The NTCC has mastered the approach of verbally beating and guilt tripping their church members into submission. They will either do that, and the targeted church member or subordinate minister will comply to "their" command, or they will happily run that person off and then say that the person never wanted God all along and that is why they left.

In that Mike Kekel stated: "we "must" choose to bring ourselves into compliance, we "must" yield! Through the Holy Spirit we have the power and authority to maintain "absolute control"."

Jeff said...

As Mike said, "Give me a break". Notice that I quoted where he used with word must on two occasions. That is a classic case of NTCC psychological manipulation at its best. What Mike was really saying it that the church member "must" yield to the NTCC pastor or overseer or RWD and let the NTCC leader have "absolute control" over the church member or subordinate minister. Same old NTCC TRASH. The reason he carefully used the word "must" because he wanted to remove any option to do otherwise. And he definitely made sure that he threw in the phrase "TOTAL CONTROL", because in case you haven't figured it out the NTCC leaders want total control of your life or else you will get blasted, targeted, and blacklisted. And how does the NTCC determine whether the church member or subordinate minister is yielding to the Holy Spirit? By determining whether or not the church members or subordinate minister is yielding to THEM; The NTCC LEADER. And if you don't yield to them whether they are right or wrong, they will blast you and say that you do not yield to God. Incidentally, NTCC pastors are very often WRONG. So in the NTCC you have no choice but to follow THEIR RULES or you will NOT HAPPILY remain in THEIR organization.

RWD said that plainly in conference. He said and I quote, "If you have a problem with one of my pastors you have a problem with me, and if you have a problem with me, you have a problem with God." What he did was put his pastors and himself on the same level with God because in making that statement it was the same as saying that he and his pastors think the same way as God himself. What a bunch of pure undefiled TRASH.

Mike Kekel and RWD are so full of it that it is absolutely mind boggling and disgusting. Mike and RWD have laid down such heavy mind manipulation on their church members that it actually borderlines what one could consider AMAZING. RWD read way too many books about Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, and Pol Pot because he has definitely figured out how to lay down some heavy mind control on his followers. Do you think I am exaggerating? I am not the one that put myself on the same level as God; it was him, and I heard it with my own two ears in conference and I quoted what he said in red up above and my memory is quite good.

Then Mike said...

"Another time a few years ago we went to an annual event in Tacoma called Wintergrass; basically one hour acoustic music lessons/workshops taught by professionals. I’ve played guitar since 1966 and I’m always trying to improve, so it was an absolute treat for me to listen to these pros play and teach".

Jeff said...

He just changed the NTCC rules because anyone with a brain, who has ever spent any length of time in the NTCC, knows good and well that we were never allowed to go to a blue grass festival in the first place. It was never an issue of you just going until you felt UNCOMFORTABLE. You weren't supposed to go PERIOD and Mike is a man that institutes double standards and he is a hypocrite and it make me sick that I ever followed his or the NTCC guidance for one second.

Jeff Collins

The NTCC Way

Thread #22

The few wealthy in the NTCC watch the poor struggling church members and Bible school students clean their houses. It is like paying tribute to Caesar. How in the world did this ever get started? How is it that people ever dreamed up going over to the Kekels house to clean it? Having to get on a list? That is absurd!!! Is Tanya Kekel your master and are you her slave? Ching, ching! There may be no other group in the entire United States where people are on a waiting list to clean someone else's house. It is absolutely amazing how brainwashed the Kekels have their church members. Tell me one time in your life, prior to entering the NTCC, that you went out of your way to clean someone else's house? Kekel was a military guy, who became a minister, and now he has seemingly an endless supply of WOMEN who very often are other men's wives, jumping hand over foot to rush over to his house to clean it? WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON? THE KEKELS ARE USING PEOPLE!!!!!!! Men don't let your wives clean another mans house for cheese points. Are you out of your mind? Has your wife become the Kekel's part time maid and church member at the same time? Have you military guys every let your wife go clean the Commanders house? So why in the world are you letting her go and clean Kekels house. Because you want cheese points, plain and simple. Come clean my house and God will bless you? The only one getting blessed is the one that is getting their house cleaned while the person doing the cleaning is being played. I'm not trying to offend anyone of hurt anyone's feelings. I'm being real. Hey; I got played for a sucker for years by the NTCC, so the shoe fits me also and I don't have any choice but to wear it. NTCC WOMEN: Stop going to clean another mans house, who already has a wife, who tells you which corners to look for dirt in!!! I don't think that I have ever seen worse psychological manipulation in my life. I don't know whether to have utter disdain for the Kekels or to admire them for their utter brilliance? What do I have to do to convince an endless supply of WOMEN to come over and clean my house? Just line up girls and I'll have the MOP ready. Don't miss the TOILET and you'll be blessed!! I'm not being serious here, but I am trying to make a point that might just help some folks to wake up out of the trance that the NTCC has them in, so they can see things for exactly how they are.

The house cleaners deep down inside feel that they are getting into the good graces of the quote “MAN OF GOD”, and consequently will receive blessings for their sacrifice or they simply want cheese points. Some of them just want to see the big beautiful house with the hard wood floors, that they feel they may only ever dream of owning. There are plenty of museums around folks. Others just want a chance to talk to Tanya and Sis Davis. Well go talk to them, but they don't have to allow you to go clean their house. I have a decent house and there is a picture of it down a few threads on this blog. If someone is interested in seeing me, my wife, or our house, that is fine but I am not going to let them in to clean it. My friends don't come over and clean my house! PERIOD! I don't use people like that. If dinner is cooked here, they may want to help and clean the dishes because somethimes it is just good decency, but you ain't cleaning the rest of my house.

What a farce. Clean the house of someone who has far more money and assets than most people will ever even dream of? The head honchos ought to be ashamed that they even allow their Christian Brothers and Sisters to perform such a task. Clean your own house you pimp. They are reliving the days of Solomon. Davis and Kekel are sorry, greedy pimps that prostitute their Brethren and Tayna is the pimpstress. I don’t care if they pay you a chump salary. What Company Commander have you ever known that has paid one of their privates to come and clean their home? NONE!!! Why? Because it is poor leadership. Kekel: You are their pastor, not their pimp.

What about those women being keepers at home. That means being a good house keeper at YOUR OWN HOME. To be domestically inclined doesn't mean to go to someone else's house to clean. The word domestic means YOUR place of residence. It also doesn't mean go clean someone else's home who is way richer than you are. The Kekels could afford a full time maid. Mrs Kekel: Are you too good and busy to clean your own house? I could see a good, close friend just happening to come over and just deciding to help out but none of these ladies are close friends with Tanya. They will never be Tanya's close friends because the NTCC is set up exactly like a CASTE SYSTEM that incorporates NEPOTISM. That is a bad combo for a church and that is "The NTCC Way." That is something that you would see in a family business; not a church. Isn’t Kekel’s wife also supposed to be a quote “keeper at home” as you put it? I guess the scripture that the NTCC teaches doesn’t apply to Mrs. Kekel? Can a Sister clean your home for pay but not get a job? Oh I forgot again, silly me, the sisters can only perform the jobs that the NTCC assigns.

Sisters; you are being used, tricked, and duped and your life is worth more than these controlling guys make it out to be. Yes the man is the head of the house and I am not backing up from that, but the Bible never suggested that the only thing that a woman can do is be a house keeper and especially not for someone else who happens to be her pastor and his wife. Read Proverbs chapter 31 lady's. Sister Kekel is too good, busy, and important for all of that MENIAL labor I guess? Power and position has clouded their judgment. Bottom line. They are using the good people and they are really using the women.

Jeff Collins

404-405-7842

Mr. Ramirez

Thread #21 I just received a phone call today from someone who says that Mr. Ramirez is wreaking havoc in Lawton Oklahoma. Moral is at a serious low and he is verbally and emotionally beating up his church members. I was told this today by someone who has never called me before. A different person, who is an NTCC minister called me yesterday and during the conversation, Mr. Ramirez was brought up. Basically the minister told me that Mr. Ramirez was not a nice guy. Imagine that!!! The two phone calls were from two totally different people who do not have, nor have they ever had any association with each other. The bottom line is that Mr. Ramirez is extremely abusive to his congregation.

NTCC Leadership: When are you going to wake up and put a leash on some of these wild dogs who are constantly attacking some real good, young Christians who are just trying their best to serve God in your organization? I know the answer. Rarely ever; because the abusive tactics have been taught by the example of the NTCC leadership and it goes all the way to the top; and I mean RWD folks.

Ramirez has been verbally beating folks up now for at least 22 years because he was doing it when I was in his church. I am not exaggerating at all; this guy is vicious.

NTCC Leadership: You guys have THE MOST abusive people that I have ever met in my life who pastor right in your churches. This doesn't make any sense. I know what the problem is. The abusive ministers have delusions of grandeur when they fancy themselves to be like one of the Old Testament Prophets while reading stories about Elisha in 2Ki 2:24. Additionally, they are taught that mess by RWD and his fellow flunkies.

The other problem is, guys like Mayers and Ramirez know only one kind of leadership because they never made enough rank in the military to get anything other than barked at all the time. They've watched RWD do the same thing and they are naive enough to believe that's good leadership.  Not only that, it's evident that these are just mean guys by nature.  Bad combo for sure.  Mean dude + NTCC pastor = abusive control monger.  

Chief 

Please Read And Respond To The Previous Thread However This Was Brought There And I Thought It Was Good Stuff. This Explains A Lot About The NTCC

Thread #20 I am starting this thread by quoting a statement that was made by MLJ in the previous thread and then of course I am showing my responce to his statement. Once again, I think this is very good stuff and it explains a lot about the NTCC.

MLJ said...

"NTCC is one of MANY cults out there; some of which are far worse than NTCC. You can look at NTCC as "cult lite" as there are a few good ministers somehow by the Grace of God still in this defunctive organization, why that is I do not know."


Jeff said...

LOL. Ha, ha. "CULT LITE". Ha, ha. That was good MLJ. All the flavor without all the calories. They ruin folks lives without actually murdering them.

I know why it is that there are still good ministers in the defunctive organization. For all who don't know the word defunctive refers to the dead. The word dead found in the scripture referenced below is purely circumstantial as it relates to MLJ's statement / question but it is nevertheless applicable.

Rev 3:1 1/2 I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art "dead".

Jeff said... MLJ: Chapter 3 verse 4 answers your question.

Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names "even" in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.


Jeff said... Notice that I put quotation marks around the word "even". That is very important. What it's saying is that even in a thoroughly messed church there can still be good people but also notice the scripture only said a "few". I'm sure that it is very difficult to remain good in a thoroughly corrupt church because of all the bad influences. The other problem is that once you realize how crooked the NTCC really is, I would say it is your duty to leave.

How with a good conscience, are you going to willfully lead people into a trap?

What I am about to write is purely speculative but I strongly suspect that the folks in Sardis who hadn't defiled their garments hadn't been their long. Sooner or later the NTCC's bad ways will rub off on you or you will simply leave because you know what they do is WRONG.

Jeff

How Would You Like To Have This Disclaimer Written At The Bottom Of Your College Transcript? The NTCS Will Gladly Have It Written On Your Transcript

Thread #19 The quote written below comes directly, word for word, from an NTC Seminary transcript that someone faxed to me. I've posted this before but I think that it was somewhat overlooked. The transcript was signed by Mike Kekel and therefor he authorized the disclaimer to be written at the bottom on the transcript. I still have a copy of this transcript.

"Due to our intent to train disciples strictly for the church ministry within our churches, we do not offer nor purport to offer any training which could be construed in any way by a participant therein as preparatory for any occupation, secular of otherwise, or for any advancement within another institution, religious or otherwise, outside of the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. Neither does this Institution offer nor purport to offer a degree or any other credentials qualifying participants for any position or occupation outside of our churches."

Signed,

Mike Kekel


Let me try and make sure that everyone who reads this blog fully understands exactly what this disclaimer means. In short it means that the NTCC wants you, and any other religious institution, and or any potential employer to know that their transcript is worth no more than a single square of toilet paper that you wiped your butt with and flushed down the commode.

What the NTCC's saying is that the owner of the transcript should not feel that the transcript is intended to be helpful to them in ANY WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION if, they ever decide to look for a job or leave the NTCC or preach in any other church organization.

What the NTCC is also saying is that if you ever leave the NTCC, the four years of your life that you invested in attendance at the NTC Seminary, will have been absolutely worthless and here is the important part; so that the NTCC could make sure the transcript and the four years invested is worthless, they deliberately put a disclaimer on the transcript to make it useless to all ministers if they ever decided not continue with the NTCC. That is a big gamble folks. Knowing what I know now, my choice would be an accredited school for sure.

My friends; that is exactly what is being said within the disclaimer and one should be very reluctant to attended the NTCC's thoroughly self satisfying seminary because their transcript is certainly not intended to provide any satisfaction to the person who receives it. The NTCC is the most selfish organization that I have ever been a part of in my life and I mean that for certain.

Jeff Collins

Despite All The Maltreatment That NTCC Folks Have Endured, The Greatest Travesty Ever Committed In The NTCC Is What Our Children Had To Endure!

Thread #18 People: I am going to discuss something here that should get right down to the hearts of all NTCCers both current and past; our children.

The NTCC leaders and specifically RWD has created a church schedule that takes up the vast majority of their quote, "FAITHFUL" church members and ministers available free time. Notice I specified the word "Faithful." In the NTCC, for someone attending church to be considered faithful, that individual must attend every church service and meeting that is offered by the NTCC. This is a historical fact. When I say available free time I mean time away from work and or sleep. If an NTCCer doesn't attend services on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday morning and evening and Saturday soul winning and often meetings during the week and prayer meeting of Friday they are often not considered faithful. Over the years this has been the standard in the majority of the NTCC churches that I have been a part of. Those standards seem to be lightning up quite a bit these days but for decades, you either attended ever single NTCC church event or you got blasted when you did show up and you were not considered faithful and your unfaithful status was made known often with no uncertain terms.

So what does that have to do with the title of this topic you might ask? Because of all the time that parents spent in church with the NTCC, they had very little or no time for their children. They certainly didn't have time to allow for their children to participate in school events because if they did, it would certainly have resulted in missed services which would additionally result in an inevitable blasting or reproof. In order to participate in a sport or a musical or a play or any other after school event, a child must participate in practice. If the child participates in practice the parent must pickup the child from school which would certainly result in the parent and the child missing church occasionally. Not unless the parent had the extra money to purchase the child their own car and of course that only applies if the child has reached a "RESPONSIBLE" driving age. And for that matter, how many NTCC parents can even afford to by their child a car? I wouldn't say many. Half of them are broke for all intensive purposes.

So what does this all mean? If you took a poll of all NTCC parents over the last 35 years, I'm sure you would find that very few of their children were allowed to participate in any after school events. Well I'm sure there have been a few exceptions not the least of with is a very notable NTCC child by the name of Grant Kekel. Why is it that Grant Kekel has been able to participate in so many after school activities one might ask? Because his dad not only makes the rules in the NTCC, he also changes the rules in the NTCC to suit the needs of his family and his father in law, Mr. RWD turns a blind eye to all of it.

My daughter just participated in a school play that was absolutely fabulous. She did a great job. She also took second place in the entire State of Georgia in a State Trio Choir Competition and obviously she did an excellent job there as well and we are very proud of her. She was able to do those things because she was able to practice after school which would have resulted in us definitely missing a substantial number of services had we still been in the NTCC if for no other reason than the fact that we would have had to pick her up from school. Things may have changed now but back in the day that would have not been accepted by just about any NTCC pastor. Not only would it have not been excepted because of missed services, but most NTCC pastors would have said that to allow such activities would be unacceptable in the sight of God. We would have been asked, "does you child's after school activity bring glory to God or win souls for the kingdom of God or would Christ have played basketball or football or been in a play?"

Well apparently RWD hasn't asked Kekel those questions because Grant has played basketball, football, and been to piano recital and Kekel and or his wife have admitted to all of this on Mike Kekels very own blog for all to read. So one might ask, how many NTCC kids have been totally deprived of their childhood? I would say thousands if not tens of thousands over the last 30 to 40 years and it is a pure travesty because that is time that they can never get back. My daughter just had one of the greatest years of her life because after years in the NTCC she was finally allowed to be a "KID". I have gotten far past being guilt tripped into placing all kinds of restrictions on my children that Kekel has never placed on his.

Here is why it is such a great travesty. I was an adult when "I" decided to follow the NTCCs schedule and I was an adult when I decided to leave it for good. Your children on the other hand can not make those decisions so consequently they have no other choice but to answer and adhere to your demands. If you take their entire childhood away from them, unlike Mike Kekel has done with his son, and all your child ever does is sit in church, YOUR CHILD CANT EVER GET THEIR CHILDHOOD BACK.

Parents you really need to think about this one long and hard because this topic will potential plague you for your entire life and worse than that, it will change your child's entire life for the worse. You might as well have stuck your child in a coma for 18 years. Mike Kekel isn't sticking his kid in a coma and you better believe that. Kekel manages to find time to get his son back and forth from all these after school events and I don't want to hear this junk about them never missing a church service. Sister Davis told my wife and a whole room full of NTCC women while in the serviceman's home in Columbus Georgia, that her and Tanya Kekel left the state and went to Canada to follow Grant on one of his field trips. So don't tell me they didn't miss a church service. I'm sick and tired of all the double standards that Mike Kekel makes excuses for. The bottom line is that Mike Kekel's son has been allowed to live a lifestyle that very few if any other NTCC child has been allowed to live and parents, that should sicken you if you care one bit about your children.

Man I am glad that I am out of that double standard, hypocritical NTCC church and I am mostly glad for my children because now they "WILL" have a childhood. I don't care if Mike Kekel has changed everything. Knowing the past facts alone should compel you to leave the NTCC once and for all and stop supporting Mike Kekels endeavours and support your own family for a change. AMEN.

Jeffrey Collins

It All Belongs to Davis and Kekel. Wake Up People!

Thread #17

So Kekel and Davis both have MUCH land and money "ultimately" because of faithful tithe payers in the NTCC. Big deal right? Yes it is a big deal because Davis and Olson have for years directed ministers to sell or simply leave their house, which not many of them even own. Notice I said not many; I didn't say none of them. I'm talking proportionally for those who want troubleshoot my statements. Davis will attempt to have ministers sell or give away their property under the pretense that by not doing so, they are not answering the call of God. Through it all Davis and Kekel just become more financially secure, while you make little or no financial progress.

So once again Davis and Kekel get richer while the "majority" of their ministers remain poor monetarily. Here is the irony. One of the reasons that Davis started his own church was so that he could make all of the decisions concerning the doctrine and rules and no doubt finances. So this means that he is in control of the money and this fact is self evident. So guess what? You pastors will never be in control of anything that you work for as long as you are in the NTCC because you are in "Davis's" organization and everything belongs to him. Ok; so you say everything that you own doesn't belong to Davis right? What happens when Davis or Olson directs you to move? What are you going to do with all of your stuff? Sell it? Pay an extensive amount of money to ship it? Give it away? Pack up what little property you have in your van and drive it across the nation? If you can fit it all in your van, respectfully you don't have much stuff so lets be real. Davis just controlled your stuff in either of those examples that I just gave. I know that some of you civilian pastors might be able to make some progress, but the guys around the military installations that move all over the place will make very little.

You follow Davis but you don’t follow Davis’s example because you don’t have the same self confidence that Davis had by breaking away so that he could do his own thing and be in control of his own destiny and his own stuff and ultimately almost all the church finances. The same finances that most NTCC pastors have little or no control of. Tell me that you church pastors control your escrow account? I didn't think so. You don't even know what happens to your escrow account when you leave your church because Davis and or his fellow leaders just made you move. That is why he and Kekel live in big fat houses and never have to worry about money and most of you NTCC pastors and ministers are living in poverty. Do you really believe this is the way that God wants things to be? So Davis and Kekel will always remain wealthy and most of you will die poor.

Once again why do you think that Davis broke away from the church he was a part of years ago? Because he wanted control; PERIOD. Davis always wants to be in control of everyone except his daughter which also includes his son in law. Whether Davis was right or wrong, he got tired of answering to another mans organizational mandates so he started his own and he came up with his own mandates. As much as I don’t agree with the way Davis operates, he and I think the same about one thing for certain. If I buy a church building or land, than baby you better believe that I am going to be in control of it. That is what he teaches his son-in-law and that is what this thread is all about. Davis is in control of all of his stuff and all of your stuff also because if he says to sell what you have and move, than you better be moving if you want to happily remain in "HIS" organization. It all belongs to him and he has stated that fact quite clearly in conference years ago and I heard it with my own ears.

Why do think the catholic church has more land than ANY other organization, group or individual in the USA? Because the catholic church has capitalized on the efforts of many. Davis and Kekel have capitalized financially on the work that all of you have done and if what I am saying is not true, than why do they own so much property and most of you have so little? This may not matter to you now but what about when you are 70 YEARS OLD and you still have nothing? At that time, it will become obvious that Kekel could care less, because he’s got his!!!!!

Why should you and your family remain poor if it is all right for Davis and Kekel to be rotten rich? So you mean to tell me that GOD wants Davis and Kekel rich while simultaneously wanting to keep you poor? No way, I'm not falling for that. You NTCC ministers need to wake up. Is it fun keeping your family broke, who have followed you through thick and thin. Your WIFE and KIDS, always struggling while RWD's family doesn't have a financial care in the world? Wake up and open your eyes and see what this manipulative man is putting your family through.

Oh I forgot, maybe God has a different standard for your life than he does for Davis and Kekel. God must want Kekel's son to have it all but God wants you to tell your son, "I'm sorry Son but I can't afford the candy bar that you want". "Just try to make those shoes hold out a little longer". "I have Ma,ma on a food budget you know". "She can only spend so much each week and if we spend extra I must report it to Graham."

I decided not to think or live like that. I decided that my family was just as important as RWD's and Kekel's. I decided not to quit a good paying job that certain NTCC leaders thought I should quit. 

I Am Fairly Certain That I Have Figured Out Mike Kekel and the NTCC

Thread #16 I thought about this yesterday evening and I came to some legitimate realizations. Prior to yesterday evening, I have felt like Mr. Kekel was one of the biggest hypocrites that ever stepped behind a pulpit. Well I still feel that way but as I though about it, I can somewhat relate with him. He kind reminds me of a Islamic terrorist because he has been very patient, cunning, and quite calculated when it came to incorporating his NTCC change up / lighten the standards, compromise the rules scheme. I realized last night that no other NTCC minister could have pulled of what Mike Kekel has managed to facilitate, quite effectively I might add.

You see I've concluded that Mike Kekel has never agreed with all the rules that RWD has mandated all along. The average person coming to the NTCC would have left the NTCC a long time ago "IF" they didn't agree with all the man made laws and rules that Mike Kekel has obviously never agreed with. So why did Mike Kekel stick around an organization who's leaders have taught all these stringent rules about modesty, and not watching Video's, and you can't go here or you can't go there when it is obvious that Mike Kekel never agreed with that stuff?

The answer is clear. Once he managed to lock on to RWD's daughter years ago, it became apparent to Kekel that he didn't have to follow any rules that he didn't want to, and there was no way that he would be held accountable because of his relationship with RWD's daughter. There are definite resemblances when you look at the leniency that RWD has shown his daughter and son in law, and the leniency that you see Eli the Priest showing his two sons in the book of 1Sa chapter 2. Once again I would like to make clear that NO ONE else in the NTCC other than Kekel and his wife, could have gotten away with incorporating changes to so many of RWDs rules without any repercussions. Who in the NTCC is going to question Kekel? No one or they will get blacklisted. Once again, Kekel realized that eventually, he not only wouldn't be required to follow the rules but he had enough influence to completely change the rules because of his obvious relationship with RWD's daughter and more importantly the inevitable promotions that he would get because of the continual nepotism that exists throughout NTCCs leadership. And that folks, is exactly what Kekel has done. He has changed the rules that were considered sins that would send you to hell.

Kekel has insulted the intelligence of every NTCCer or exNTCCer with a brain, by suggesting that nothing has changed in the NTCC. He has stated that it is appropriate for a man to wear shorts, because Grant did it playing basketball. He says that it always was OK by NTCC standards. Kekel says that it is appropriate for a man to wear skin tight pants, because Grant did it playing football. He says it always was OK. Kekel says that is is appropriate to go to blue grass festivals until you don't feel comfortable anymore, because he did it. And Kekel and Kinson decided that it was appropriate to watch movies on a LCD screen because Kinson did it and Kekel allowed Grant to do it. They say that it has been OK all along. None of this stuff was previously allowed in the NTCC but Kekel has changed that all and I'm sure that the changes have just begun. None of us could ever have gotten away with any of that stuff because we would have been blasted, ridiculed, ostracized and blacklisted.

Watching TV was absolutely forbidden by all of NTCCs ministers and leaders until they tried once again to insult our intelligence by suggesting that a DVD player connected to a LCD is different than a VCR connected to a TV. To all you idiots who think there is a moral distinction or differentiation between watching a movie on a TV connected to a VCR and watching a movie on a LCD connected to a DVD player; you are just what I called you when I started this run on sentence; AN IDIOT. There is no difference so quit trying to make one up.

So you might ask why it is that I can relate with Kekel while simultaneously still feeling that he is a hypocrite and a liar. Because realistically there never was anything wrong with a man wearing shorts or watching a movie or going to the fair which happened to have a blue grass festival or playing football which requires the players to wear a uniform. RWD made all those rules that Kekel obviously never agreed with and Kekel patiently waited out his time until he gained enough unmovable authority in the NTCC to make all the changes that he wanted to. Because of all the authority that Kekel now has; he knows that there is virtually no possible consequences that could be imposed directly against him as a result of his decisions.

Then why do I say that Kekel is a hypocrite and a liar? Because he continues to deny that any changes have ever taken place and he knows better, and that is why I can't stand him and so many others feel the same way that I do.

Do I blame Kekel for wanting to see some ridicules rules change and or be done away with? NO! Do I blame Kekel for being a liar and a hypocrite when he says nothing has changed in the NTCC? ABSOLUTELY YES!!

Jeff Collins

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I don't think I've beaten this horse enough. The NTCC really misses it when they require that women in the NTCC not work on a job.

Thread #14 I posted this on FACTNet almost a year ago and I think this is a very important subject to hammer home. I always talk about NTCC's double standards because it is near and dear to my heart. I can't stand someone who preaches one thing but practices something totally different. I also have a serious problem with someone who knowingly preaches something that is Biblically incorrect. I ask that we please stay on subject with this one.

I do see the benefit in a woman staying at home with young children that aren't school age. I also see the benefit in the Father or Mother being at home when their children are at home. I personally believe one of the biggest breakdown's in our society is the lack of parenting altogether due to both parents working and rarely being around to raise the children. With that being said there are ways for both parents to work while not sacrificing the time needed for proper child rearing. I have thrown a little humor in this message but please look past the humor and notice the true validity in the statements made.

For all of you who do not know "keepers at home" is ONE word in the greek language; "oikourgos." Greek manuscripts were prominently used to translate the New Testament into English which was the case with "keepers at home" and it was originally one word and not the three that we see in the KJV. To understand the true meaning of the three words; "keepers at home," you must look up the one Greek word "oikourgos," because that is the word that keepers at home was translated from. That one word then meant and still means to be "domestically inclined" or "a good house keeper" or "taking care of household affairs" or "domestic." I used several different references to look up the definition and they all paralleled each other. The word "oikourgos" DOES NOT MEAN nor can it be implied or interpreted to mean, that a woman can not have a job or leave her house. The Bible can not be subjected to any private interpretation and the facts that I've written can not be disputed. RWD and his ministers have given that scripture there own private interpretation for their own private reasons and they are WRONG.

NTCC pastors teach that women should not work on a job; PEROID. NTCC pastors wrongfully try to support this teaching by inaccurately interpreting the scripture that speaks of woman being "keepers at home" which can be found by looking at Titus 2:4-5. Being "keepers at home" once again does not under any circumstances mean that a woman can not have a job that pays her money for her time invested, or she will go to hell along with her husband because he allowed her to do it. It doesn't mean she is wrong if she works on a job either. Read Proverbs Chapter 31 because it definitely stated clearly that it is good for a woman to work on a job and help her husband. You can't pick and choose when the Old Testament is applicable, you bunch of hypocrites that know the truth.

Here's where the true NTCC double standard exists concerning this topic. So if keepers at home means that a woman must be a stayer at home as I've heard some NTCC pastors say, or a woman can not have a job, why doesn't the scripture read:

1 NTCC 1:1 women need to be keepers at home unless they are Tanya Kekel and teach at the NTCC bible college.
1 NTCC 1:2 women need to be keepers at home unless they clean Tanya Kekels home for chump change or nothing at all.
1 NTCC 1:3 women need to be keepers at home unless they clean and maintain Davis's house.
1 NTCC 1:4 women need to be keepers at home unless they get paid to baby sit an NTCC sisters kids so that she can leave her home to go soul winning, “and not be a keeper at home” to bring in more people to the NTCC which will bring in more money for the NTCC so they will be able to teach more women how to be keepers at home.
1 NTCC 1:5 women need to be keepers at home unless their local pastor appoints them as the supply picker upper for the local NTCC church which allows the pastors wife to be a keeper at home when she is not away from the home shopping for herself.
1 NTCC 1:6 women need to be keepers at home unless they are sent to pick up women that want to come to the local NTCC church service to learn about being a keeper at home.
1 NTCC 1:7 women should be keepers at home unless they work in the OFFICE at the NTCS like Olson's wife used to or teach like Ashmore's wife used to when her last name was Duran.

1 NTCC 1:8 women should be keepers unless the local pastor makes an exception to the rule and seeks approval from Graham so the NTCC leadership can pray to the Lord and ask God to change his mind about a woman being a "keeper at home" because the church is running low on money.

1 NTCC 1:9 women should be keepers at home unless they spend so much time shopping and away from the home like Tanya Kekel, that they wouldn't have time for a job even if they wanted one because it would interfere with their shopping time away from the home.

1 NTCC 1:10 women should be keepers at home except for the extensive amount of time spent in church, or at soul winning meetings, or at choir practice. or teaching Sunday School, or at Sunday School meetings, or at women's Bible study, or cleaning up the church or anything else that NTCC leaders figures out for a woman to do other than being a keeper at home.

You see current NTCC pastors and wife’s; this IS a double standard that it is taught that woman should not work at a paid job, but they can do everything under the sun for the local church and church members and church elders and sometimes for pay and go shopping constantly. You can't have it both ways and not be a hypocrite with double standards. You can't make the scripture suit you under some situations but not others. I know why they don't want women to work. Because it makes these men feel that they have lost control and it gives their members a financial stability that the leadership recognizes can also result in a loss of control. It is more important to the leadership to have control over these women for their needs such as cleaning or baby sitting or teaching in the BS or working in the BS office. This way more people can go soul winning and more people can go to their BS because a sister can baby sit for PAY and not be a keeper at home. They say those activities outside the home are alright but forget about a real job. Can you spell DOUBLE STANDARD?

Also why do some pastors try to make an exception to this rule when it financially benefits their church? Click on the link below and you will read a good example on an NTCC pastor who made an exception to the rule and claimed that he had the approval from Graham. This was what was written and you can also click on the link to read the whole story.

Truly Free wrote... All of a sudden the local pastor said that he contacted Graham and the NTCC leadership had decided to make an exception to the rule for her to work. When my time to relocate for the military came, I was asked by the NTCC pastor, to leave my wife behind for 2 YEARS to continue to work and pay the TITHE and OFFERING while doing Sunday school. The pastor’s wife didn't like teaching in the Sunday school so at all costs the pastor attempted to always have someone else in that position, even if it meant separating me and my wife for 2 years. Of course he needed the extra tithe money from my wife’s income because the church was going through financial difficulties having recently lost many tithe paying church members.

http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2009/03/another-true-testimony-horror-story.html

Jeff Collins