They told us Oberhauser said that everyone who had left his church (NTCC), "God will destroy". How is it that a minister feels that he has the power to bring a curse of God upon people who leave his church? How can you say you love people when you want to see your own prophesy of God's destruction brought upon their lives simply because they left your church. No one slashed your tires, they didn't slap your wife or even kick your dog; they just left your church because you had become abusive just like your counterparts.
In the same manner that people preached loyalty to "Davis and the NTCC" after the Denis split, Oberhauser was said to have preached for about two months on loyalty to himself and the NTCC. This is also what the brother told us.
Oberhauser would also say to the church that "no one had voted him in and no one was going to vote him out." Ironically he actually did get voted out when the NTCC leadership replaced him with Hunt: the very man whom Oberhauser had replaced previously. Here is the funny part. A few years earlier, Hunt had left the church in Columbus and was replaced by Oberhauser because Hunt said that God never called him to be in Columbus Montgomery Alabama Columbus and that is why he hadn't followed the call of God directing him to Montgomery Montgomery Southeastern NTCC church region. Here is the link.
Back to the smear campaign. Oberhauser told this married couple that my marriage was in shambles. He also told them that I loved my house more than I loved God, and that is why my family left his church. Oberhauser told this couple that I was quote "greedy". Do yourself a favor NTCC folks. At all costs, avoid telling your NTCC pastor any of your personal or marriage buisness because all they will ever do is use it against you. The NTCC pastor will blab it to every church member he has, if you ever leave his church. He will do that to discredit you and your spouse. Lets get something straight here. My wife and I had plenty of very serious disagreements while we were in the NTCC. She was absolutely opposed to going to the NTCCs school of rules AKA bible school, and as time went on she fought me every step of the way and I thank God. You can best believe this subject in itself caused many problems between us. I thank God we never did leave to go the the NTCC school of ridiculous rules and abuse, and I give my wife much credit for that very fact.
Since Oberhauser had lost and or ran off about 85% of his church, money problems plagued him. He had to get a job as a result. He preached / blasted this husband about buying his wife gifts vs giving more money to the church. As you all know NTCCs tactic is to divide and conquer if they suspect that a spouse is straddling the fence. Oberhauser would suggest that this mans wife should come secondary to the church and as a result undo stress was placed on their marriage.
Jeff
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"Do yourself a favor NTCC folks. At all costs, avoid telling your NTCC pastor any of your personal or marriage buisness because all they will ever do is use it against you. The NTCC pastor will blab it to every church member he has, if you ever leave his church. He will do that to discredit you and your spouse."
Privilege between a Pastor and his church member is something I have seen abused time and time again in NTCC. There is no justification of a Pastor taking something that was said behind closed doors in CONFIDENCE and telling the whole congregation. Either by hiding behind the pulpit, or using someone else's business as a "teaching session." is baseless and without reason.
Even the Catholic Church, whom NTCC abhors seems to have this precept right.
You are exactly right Nellashara. That is why I have no problem posting Oberhausers business all over this blog. He drew first blood on this one. He was right. My wife and I argued like cats and dogs but guess what? We are still together. That is a whole lot more than I can say for a whole bunch of CURRENT NTCC MINISTERS. Divorce is common throughout the NTCC. That guy is a lousy pastor, preacher, and leader.
It is what it is.
Jeff
"Privilege between a Pastor and his church member is something I have seen abused time and time again in NTCC. There is no justification of a Pastor taking something that was said behind closed doors in CONFIDENCE and telling the whole congregation."
RW did this regularly, and finally, he just came out and publicly admonished us not to tell him anything "in confidence," because he reserved the right to divulge whatever he pleased to whomever he would whenever he liked. Can you believe the audacity! This is why I say the guy is an expert con man and master manipulator, because he had us so zombified that we actually sat and listened to outrageous pronouncements like that, instead of fleeing in horror.
There's still a bunch stuck in his thrall just like we were, swallowing his line and believing the hype. That's the genius of his system: there is never a shortage of fodder! They don't care about anyone because they know that a fresh load of GIs gets off the bus at every post daily. RW's clones are standing by to intercept them.
I hope at least a few will find and heed our warnings. Stay away; they're vampires!
Vic said..."RW did this regularly, and finally, he just came out and publicly admonished us not to tell him anything "in confidence," because he reserved the right to divulge whatever he pleased to whomever he would whenever he liked."
pdq said...I remember this well. Good thing I never felt the overpowering urge to confide much of anything to anyone not my wife.
Thanks again Vic,
pdq
We can stop ntcc from snatching gullable GI's. Those GI's just off the bus. Don't know a soul. Looking for a Church after leaving there home. I was that way. Then smother them with love and care. That love is conditional. Oh we love the lost souls. ONLY IF THEY ATTEND Ntcc. Was told so many time's. A person stops attending ntcc,you drop them like a hot potato.
But we can change that. Those of us that live around ntcc military "churches". Get the word out to the military chapel,put up flyers. EXPOSE,EXPOSE,EXPOSE,EXPOSE!
So these soliders do not go into this blindly. They can at least know what this ORG.is all about.
CM
The only thing the NTCC loves about the GI's is they are prone to follow there absurd rules and they also have money. RWD has taught time and again not to soul win folks that don't have money.
Jeff
Vic said...
RW did this regularly, and finally, he just came out and publicly admonished us not to tell him anything "in confidence," because he reserved the right to divulge whatever he pleased to whomever he would whenever he liked.
Jeff said...
I also heard RWD say the same thing. He must have been putting that out regularly because I remember so clearly him making the same statement. Well; that's "three" witnesses. NTCC folks: do you think were are all lying? Not so. So therefor being that RWD put that out openly, and three of us heard him, that is the same as "teaching it". That is where all these NTCC ministers get it from, because they have no problem putting out your business.
If you can't trust a supposed Christian "Minister", who can you trust? The fact is if they wouldn't have been so abusive most of us would probably still be there. RWD is the one who teaches all that stuff, and anyone who doesn't see it is in denial.
Jeff
Jeff,
Once again "Ringmaster" Davis has magically washed his hands of any guilt. Basically what he was saying was anyone who left or who were offended because I did the "CNN" broadcast on your personal business, its not his fault. You were stupid enough to trust him! Who needs church gossip, when all you have to do is wait for Sunday morning's broadcast gossip column. They should rename NTCC..News and Talk(around the clock) Commentary Church!
Amazing!
Anon!
Anon said...
"Basically what he was saying was anyone who left or who were offended because I did the "CNN" broadcast on your personal business, its not his fault."
Jeff said...
That's about the size of it. "Don't tell me anything cause if you do, it's not my fault when I blab your business; I've warned you."
That is quite pathetic.
Jeff
Or just have to wait to the next conference because you would be served the grand buffet of what is going on in people's lives.
Yikes!
From erection problems to not giving enough sex to the wife.
I remember one preacher that actually came to rwd because he was having high blood pressure, rwd response was: "have sex everyday" (roaring laughter all around)
It was hillarious because pretty much everybody knew who the minister was that he was talking about.
So, yes, don't divulge your things because coming next conference everybody is going to know your business.
"From erection problems to not giving enough sex to the wife."
I know this is the wrong thread, but I had to chuckle when reading this. Reminds me of when the 'Dub-ster said in his infinite wisdom over the pulpit "Honey, he didn't marry you for your cooking!"
Anon!
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