Wow!!!! Read What Appears When You Click On The Link Below

Just click on the link below. There is not much else that I can say. It's clean, don't worry. I don't post inappropriate trash, never have.

http://newtestamentchristianchurchdebswtnss.blogspot.com/2010/10/ntcc-lies-and-broken-promises-ntcc.html

Jeff

To Halloween Or Not To Halloween Is The Question

There have been extensive discussions on another thread concerning this topic. The discussions began to inundate the thread so I decided to transfer the data here. Some folks believe that observing holiday's like Halloween and Christmas are quite pagan in nature, and others don't see a problem with it. I personally could care less one way or the other which is why I didn't chime in on the discussion. For once I'm a neutral party otherwise known as a "politician". I'm usually very opinionated but in this case I'm not. All posts pertaining to this topic have been transfered here from the other thread.
Jeff

Oh The Drama And The Propaganda

Extra, Extra, read all about it. A daring rescue was made which saved an NTCC pastor from impending doom and FIRE! All you "had" to do is go to Pastor Briggs blog to read the article. Since then Pastor Briggs set the article so that you have to sign in to read it. After I posted this thread, his article stayed up for about one day before Pastor Briggs set his website requiring people to sign in to read the article. Apparently Pastor Briggs was considering resigning his position as an NTCC pastor, or leaving the NTCC altogether, or both. If someone really wants to serve God there are plenty of places to go. He made it out like R DUB and Olson saved the day?

If they'd convinced me to stay with the NTCC, (knowing what I know now) they'd have ruined my day. It would have been the same as getting thrown back into the fire. Many of us know that life is a whole lot better now that we are no longer with the NTCC.

Who knows? Maybe one day Pastor Briggs will realize what the NTCC is truly all about. The fact is, now the NTCC leadership thinks Pastor is wishy washy if they didn't already. The NTCC "leadership" (if that's what you wan't to call em) have been around long enough to know that when you start thinking about quiting the NTCC, those thoughts don't just go away. Maybe Pastor Briggs will come around, stop being double minded and face the facts. I think he's starting to come to his senses.

When my wife and I finally had enough of the NTCC's crap, a pack of wild dogs wouldn't have turned us back to that cesspool. I knew what I'd witnessed in the NTCC and I'd had enough. Now when I run into those NTCC folks I usually give them a piece of my mind. Isn't that what they did practically every time they got behind the pulpit? Give folks in their congregation a piece of their mind? Well now it's my turn hence one of the purposes of this blog. This is our pulpit and we're not tired yet, are you tired? NOOooooo, I'm not tired yet. Just so people know, I generally don't read Pastor Briggs blog but someone else tipped me off to his article.

Jeff

You've Got To Be Kidding Me!

Either the official NTCC website is wrong or the Atlanta church is down to only 2 services a week. You've got to be kidding me. Mr. Mayers would have placed us in guaranteed hell if we only made 2 services per week while my family was in the Atlanta church. Guaranteed HELL!!!! Do not pass go and do not collect $200. Blasted, belittled, raked over the coals, benched, blacklisted and shunned and that is just where the list starts. For the 18 months that my family attended the so called "church" in Atlanta we were in boot camp and Mayers was a hard, cold drill sergeant. I actually don't blame him. He was taught that garbage at the school of rules and he closely followed RWD and Olson's guidance. For the most part Mayers didn't think that garbage up on his own and of that I'm convinced. Kekel and Hunt like to blame Mayers but Mayers followed the NTCC leadership's guidance far more closely than Kekel ever dreamed of. Mayers messed up because he trusted Olson and RWD and he listened to other abusive NTCC pastors.

I can't tell you how many times he raked my wife and I for some of the most nitpicken stuff which he learned at the NTCCs seminary otherwise know as the school of rules. Once again the NTCCs official website shows that services are being conducted only on Thursdays and ONCE on Sunday. Church appears to be held in a hotel from what I can tell looking at google earth which means they are going backward. It used to be in a store front for years. 1230 Sunday service is probably the only time the hotel will let them have the room. I wonder if Olson is still saying, "Were winning" because he must have said that at least 25 times while he was in Atlanta.

Buddy the more I dig around the more sickening it gets. I can't tell you how much money was put into that store front. Cantrell busted his butt totally remodeling it and my wife painted the nursery. We worked our tails off putting the pews in and it was all for NOTHING. Everyone got ran off and rather than upgrading to a stand alone building they appear to have down graded to a hotel or the NTCCs official website is dead wrong. There was a time you couldn't have convinced me that I'd see this day but nothing surprises me anymore with the NTCC. This is crazy. Only two services a week? I explicitly remember one night that S. Mayers was bragging to me about how much more progress he was making than other NTCC ministers in such a short period of time and I never forgot that. It would appear as though all his progress has reversed. When will people learn. Believe it or not this is actually sad for me to see because many people wasted a lot of time and money for the church in Atlanta. It is Pergamos and Laodicea put together. The NTCC will never learn but what do I know. I was just a church member. The facts speak for themselves.

Jeff

More Of The Same Psychological Garbage

Mike Kekel recently wrote on his blog that God, "moved incredibly again and in much the same way" during conference. How did God move? Did he ease around the sanctuary? Did God jump around or did God walk up the isle? I'll tell you what I think. Just more of the same mumbo jumbo religious rhetoric. If I've heard someone in the New Testament Christian Church say, "God moved" once, I've heard them say "God moved" ten thousand times. Think about it people. "Boy did God move during the service". "Boy, God sure did move tonight"!

Folks I'm past all that rhetoric. I'll tell you when God moved. On mount Sinai or when the Hebrews crossed the Red sea, of when Jesus came up out of the water and people heard an AUDIBLE voice proclaiming, "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Religious people working themselves up into an emotional frenzy does not by any means necessarily mean that God moved anywhere!!!! Especially all the times that I've heard NTCC people use that same exact jargon. God moved, God moved, God moved, God moved. Stop saying that and wait for a real true appearance from God and you might get something other than an emotional outburst. There get some of that!!!

Then later Mike wrote...

People whose heart is perfect toward God want to be there, and God always makes a way, and rewards such, that they don't leave disappointed!

Jeff said...

What a bunch of psychological trash. Oh really? So if they don't want to be there that means that their hearts aren't perfect toward God? Is sleeping in a tent or a slummy motel room while Mike is living high on the hog the same as God making a way? Is leaving conference broke or without a job because in order to attend you had to quit your job? Is that the same as God making a way? I remember RWD stand up and sing Bro Saunders praises because he quit his job to attend conference. I remember folks at conference who were monetarily broke. Is that God making a way? I remember folks with vehicles broke down while Mike Kekel was riding fat in his RV and that was supposed to be God making a way? I know of a pastor who had to ride back with a brother because his vehicle was broke down and that was God making a way? According to Mike Kekels train of thought if you were still breathing that mean that God made a way. That is a bunch of psychological crap used for no other reason than to make you feel better about being broke or broke down or sleeping in a tent just so you could attend conference so that Mike could tell you your heart was perfect toward God.

Why does God even have to make a way. Capitalism, which the NTCC leaders preach to justify their wealth at your expense is anything but God making a way. Capitalism is about you making a way and managing your money so you can do things like attend conferences without worrying about God having to quote, "make a way". Kekel ain't worried about God having to make a way. As long as all your money keeps rolling up hill in the NTCC Kekel doesn't have to worry about anything. Go to Kekel and say, "Hey Mike, maybe God will make a way for you to attend the next conference", and he will look at you like you are out of your mind. RWD and Kekel have folks in the NTCC so brainwashed that it is mind boggling. So there is no misunderstanding I understand that God looks out for people whether they have money or not. That is not my point and I know what Mike was talking about. Having enough Money!!! Someone with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars isn't worried about having enough money to make it to conference because money is not an issue. However someone who is broke is worried about it and the problem is that 95% of NTCCers who are broke are broke because the NTCC system is set up in a way that keeps them broke. It's also set up to keep Mike and Tanya swimming in dough.

Oh I get it. So If your heart is perfect, God will make a way so that you can feel him move like he always does during the NTCC conferences right? God just gets a little stiff in between conferences because during those times he doesn't move that much. It's time for me to sign off before I throw up.

Jeff

The Irony Of It All

Yes SIR!!! I'll follow your rules but first, can I go back to pick up my brain? Maybe I can figure out where I left it?

The word is, Kekel took down many of the threads which he had previously posted on his own blog. I guess old Mikey decided (or it was decided for him) that much of his propaganda was not good at helping the NTCC's cause.

Which ever the case much of the data would appear to have been removed, away from the public eye. It doesn't surprise me. He did make old RDub look pretty bad with the "Ain't Misbehaven" thread. Mike basically said that he never supported certain rules which old RDub had initiated. Before the information became un-viewable, here is some of what Mike wrote:

"I do not make the rules, and have only recently had opportunity to affect them. In the past I have only been in the unfortunate position of having to enforce them. That doesn't mean I agreed with them. If so be they were mistakes, they weren't mine. As for the church organization? I have nothing to do with policies and doctrines of the organization concerning things like TV (which ministers aren't to have if they carry license in NTCC- unless it is solely as a gaming monitor or something, and not connected to TV input) and couldn't change them if I wanted to. If that gets changed, Rev. Olson will have to do it by mandate or through board approval. I have no such power. Even in the Bible School realm I am limited."

Jeff said...

Look at what Kekel wrote. He wrote that he was in the "unfortunate position" of having to enforce the rules. WOW!!!!! He should have just slapped old RDub in the face with that statement. Then Mike wrote that it didn't mean that he agreed with the rules. In other words he didn't. What Mike was saying is that he didn't agree with his father in law because let's face it, RDub is the one who came up with the stupid rules in the first place. Now Kekel is openly stating that even though they were in fact NTCC rules, it didn't mean he agreed with them. Well isn't that a novel concept. Kekel doesn't agreed with God? Isn't RWD and the General Board supposed to be considered men of God? In conference I heard RWD say, "if you have a problem with me you have a problem with God". Well it's obvious that Kekel had and has a problem with RWD's rules. None of us could have gotten away with that one. That is nepotism at it's best. Then Mike suggested that the rules may have been quote "mistakes". I didn't know that God made mistakes because surely RWD had openly stated that he'd never missed God and everything he did had been directed by the Holy Ghost. Then Mike said that he had quote "NOTHING" to do with certain policies and doctrines of the organization. The bottom line is that Mike Kekel (in writing) dogged his father in law, the NTCC leadership and the organization. I don't know how you could look at it any other way.

Then Mike wrote...

"My influence on the bible school rules has only been to lighten them, not increase them. Further, since I wasn't a bible school student during that time, I was not UNDER those rules. The sports rule was not bible based to begin with, and was for bible school students. Not me."

Jeff said...

So Kekel is admitting here that the rules were too stringent hence the need to, and I quote, "lighten them". Boy that sure does put old RDub's and the general boards decision making abilities in question. Mike said that "the sports rule was not bible based to begin with." So I wonder what rule these control mongers have come up with over the years that have been quote "Bible based"? Mike said the sports rule wasn't for him. I guess the NTCC leadership forgot to tell their sorry abusive pastors (who'd incidentally had been taught by the NTCC leadership), that the rules against organized sports participation shouldn't apply to church members either. They sure preached against it enough, I can tell you that. The fact is at this point, any sensible person should question every decision, standard and or rule that anyone in the NTCC leadership ever came up with.

I don't believe in following some bogus guidance that Kekel has clearly pointed out isn't and wasn't Bible based to begin with. I don't know how you NTCCers can stick around and follow these control mongers who's decision making abilities are clearly in question here. I'd rather follow a blind, three legged dog if I was blind also. I'd make it a whole lot further in life. How in the world can an intelligent person deny what I've just typed? I didn't write Kekel's statements, he did, and they just confirmed what I've been saying all along. What do I know, I'm just a bitter, hater who turned down the opportunity to attend the NTCC's "SCHOOL OF RULES" who an NTCC pastor said of me that "my house meant more to me than the calling of GAWD". Well knowing what I know now, I'd rather follow someone who "called" me to shovel crap than attend a non accredited school full of ridiculous rules that according Kekel himself aren't even Bible based to begin with. Get some of that. Above and highlighted in red are some excerpts of what Kekel decided to remove from his blog. When are you NTCCers going to wake up out of your slumber. Thank God that he gave me the fortitude and clearness of sight and mind to leave the NTCC, move on with my life, and get it back in the right direction. Nothing wrong with following Jesus but the NTCC leadership is corrupt and self serving and this blog is full of evidence which proves as such.

Jeff

The Split, Ron Denis, And A Bunch Of Morally Weak NTCC Ministers

The NTCC leadership didn't have a problem with him as long as Denis pushed one of these to Graham after every church service. He was the greatest but then came the spit.

Thread originally posted on 4-10-09

Thread #15 I don’t even know where to begin but here we go. When the split took place I was attending church services with the NTCC in Columbus Georgia. Columbus Georgia was significant where the split was concerned because Ron Denis had spent a substantial amount of time in Columbus during a few month period leading right up to the day of the Split. Denis was doing much of his departure planning in and around Savannah Georgia at that time which resulted in him going back and forth to Columbus because it was close. J. Hunt was the pastor of the Columbus church and he had direct knowledge of certain split plans and preparations that Denis had made prior to the event ever taking place.

What's interesting here is that Hunt always, without exception, had only great things to say about Denis prior to Denis leaving the NTCC. I know; I was in his church. I must emphasize that J. Hunt the pastor in Columbus and S. Mayers the pastor in Atlanta would speak so very, very highly of Denis and they would always place Denis on an enormous pedestal. To them Denis was the man; he was great; he was the ultimate leader; he was a great example of what we all should have strived to be as Christians. In fact I had never heard anyone EVER speak a single negative word against Denis prior to him leaving the NTCC. RWD obviously thought he was great because RWD strongly influenced the general board to promote Denis to not only the Director of all Servicemen’s Homes but also to Overseer, which are two very significant positions for a minister to hold within the NTCC.

Then all of a sudden the split takes place, and it is such a significant event that it rocked the very foundations of the NTCC. J. Hunt told us, his church members, while in his church building, that he knew that the split was going to take place but he elected not to tell anyone to include RWD. Why?

M.D. Reed and I lived in the servicemen’s home together at Ft. Hood Texas in 1985 and we were friends. I mentioned that so you understand our association with each other as close friends and brothers living in the same servicemen’s home together. While I was at conference and I must note; after the split, Matthew Reed told me that he hadn’t liked Denis one bit and they actually had a verbal altercation with each other.  I talked to M. Kekel on the phone approximately one month ago and he told me that he didn’t like Denis one bit but yet his own father in law, RWD continued to promote Denis right up to the end. Why? L.D. Jones told me over dinner one day in Columbus that he didn’t care for Denis but he also elected to keep his mouth shut. Why?

Because other than Kekel, they were all scared of getting blacklisted by RWD and his henchmen. The one important thing to note here is that these people that I mentioned had no problem talking bad about Denis to me, but they didn’t do so until after Denis had left the NTCC. I guarantee had I asked any of them, they would have either said nothing or they would have had only good things to say about Denis prior to his departure. This isn’t speculation because as I've already stated, some of these folks always said only great things about Denis prior to his departure. Of course Denis convinced a whole bunch of folks to include ministers to go along with him when he left the NTCC but this does not change the fact than NO ONE kicked Denis out of the NTCC; he simply left on his own. If Denis was as bad as all these influential NTCC folks only NOW say he was, why did he just keep getting promoted and why wasn't anything ever done about his alleged abusive practices. That dude kept doing his own thing with RWDs and the General Boards stamp of approval right up until the day he left the NTCC. Had Denis not left on his own he would still be in the NTCC and no one would be talking all this trash. You all need to quit making Denis out to be the only guilty party because Denis only served where he did because RWD and the General Board put him there. PERIOD!!!

So what does this tell you? That not only are NTCC ministers morally weak unlike Mordecai, but if what they said they felt about Denis is even true, they were all scared to say anything to Olson or RWD because they are afraid to be considered jealous or they are afraid to get blacklisted as has happened to so many of their fellow NTCC ministers before. I happen to know this is also true because I was told this by at least three of the people that I mentioned above. That may not have been exactly the way they said it to me, but that is exactly what they were saying. RWD leads explicitly by fear and that folks it the worse type of leadership that can exist in any unit or organization. To fear God is healthy but to lead your church by teaching them to fear you is sorry leadership.

Denis may be a crook, (just like so many NTCC pastors) but I got sick and tired of hearing weak NTCC ministers talk bad about Denis because they weren't saying that junk while he was there. So many of you are using Denis as a scapegoat to help explain away all your abusive practices as if Denis didn’t learn these things from RWD himself. All that I ever here from NTCC ministers is how bad Denis was and now he is gone, but you weren’t saying that before he left. Don't forget NTCC ministers, it wasn't anything that you did which resulted in Denis leaving because you are weak. Never forget that Denis LEFT ON HIS OWN because you were too weak to tell someone of your supposed grievance with Denis. RWD and Olson were two ineffective leaders anyway who are too insecure to have listened to you or they just didn't care because Denis had brought in so much money to their greedy organization. They weren't willing to part with such a financial asset as Ron Denis hence the picture posted up above. 

One last thing: Please don't anyone insult me by suggesting that God set up Denis’ departure because that is the excuse that you guys give every time to justify your failures. Denis was a free moral agent who left the NTCC willfully and totally on his own.

More True Stories About The NTCC's Fearless Leader

Original thread posted on 3/27/09

Thread #9 Believe it or not I gave this sensitive issue some thought before I decided to to highlight some recent information that was posted concerning the CEO / leader of the NTCC. Specifically Mr. Mike Kekel who is the NTCC CEO. That title classifies him as someone who "should" be considered a leader. Mr. Kekel has recently decided to attack a few people in writing, and as a result someone decided to pull the proverbial plug on him and post some alarming information.

For starters, I didn't know that the NTCC condoned such behavior as a 24 year old man physically playing with the body of a 15 year old girl. For that matter they shouldn't be condoning 23 or 24 year old men even dating 14 or 15 year old girls. Well these are the kind of things that come to the forefront when you back a cat up against a wall. Most cats come out fighting and that is what you will find, if you read Vic Johanson's statement in one of the earlier threads. Below is a portion of what Vic wrote. Sometimes it's a good idea to be careful who's daughter you attack in writing because they may decide to flip the script on you Mr. Kekel. Vic should know; he was quite close to Mike back then. Early in this thread Vic made a correction concerning the age estimates so I made a correction here as well. According to Vic, Tanya was about 15 years old and Mike was about 24 years old when Mike mentioned to Vic and others that Mike and Tanya had been getting very CLOSE to each other physically, i.e. touching and fondling and such.

Most Fathers would go to the door with a shotgun to meet a 24 year old man if such a 24 year old came a calling on his 15 year old daughter. My daughter is a teen and she needs to be focused on school work, not 24 year old men or any other men for that matter. My daughter needs to learn to take care of herself because a dude won't necessarily always be around as is evidenced by the NTCC's divorce rate. Also, some men die, so where does that put your daughter? Struggling and destitute and Mike wrote that it's not the NTCC's biblical responsibility to take care of her if she has ANY family members still living because in such cases she wouldn't be considered "a widow in deed". The NTCC leadership doesn't care about a girls academic progress because they are only interested in marrying their young daughters off to grown men with the hope that he will always be there to take care of her. This has quite often proven not to be the case throughout the NTCC's history. Typical evidence of a CULT. At the time it didn't seem to bother old RWD that his 14 or 15 year old daughter was dating a 23 or 24 year old man, but a guilty conscience often dictates the decisions of men.

Vic wrote...

"Bro Johnson, maybe you could ask Mike about the premarital grope sessions he had with Tanya in the church office when she was about 15 and he was in his 20s, since he seems to be so concerned about the immoral behavior of others. It happened, and not only did he boastfully admit it to me and his other dorm mates, he also justified it when we expressed our consternation. What a piece of work. Of course, when a concerned brother went to RW over it, nothing happened. I guess the "apostle" could relate to that kind of behavior."

Now you have the rest of the story. Holy, Schmoly. You wonder why I left the NTCC? I got tired of following a bunch of fake, abusive, hypocrites. Just more lies of the devil I suppose? You decide. Let Mike tell it and he will say that the things we write are no more than a bunch of lies. Mike said "they didn't go there" before they were married. Didn't go where? That was a good duck and dodge response if I've ever saw one. A complete idiot could see right through that response. I have no reason to doubt these testimonies for one second after all the garbage that I experienced in the NTCC. I got jumped all over by an NTCC pastor for talking to a GROWN woman on the phone. I should have told that pastor to kiss my forth point of contact. In Airborne terms that would be your rear end. That is supposed to be the forth point of your body that makes contact with the ground during your landing or (PLF), after you jump out of an airplane with a parachute.

Jeff

So Now TV Commercials Are Authorized As A Means To Advertise For The New Testament Christian Church?

Explain this one Mike? I thought watching the TV would put you in hell? That is what I heard preached in the New Testament Christian Church since 1985 and I'm sure long before I got there. You guys are such hypocrites that it is unbelievable. There goes Briggs again up to his same old tricks and I guess the New Testament Christian leadership thinks it's great.

Click on the first link below to watch the good old NTCC TV commercial. The second link will open Google images that include photos of DJ Brandi Garcia who's show the NTCC is a proud sponsor of. WOW she is hot!!!!!! The third link is a video of the show "The spotlight" with Brandi Garcia. ***This is not a hyper-link so you will need to copy and paste the link to your address bar to watch the video.*** Notice at how short her dress is. Botta Boom!!! If you don't see a problem with this (at least according to previous New Testament Christian Church standards) you are spiritually brain dead. For a secular church no problem; but for the holiest of holies, New Testament Christian Church? In a genuine NTCC Brother or Sister's mind? This should be a real problem.

http://vimeo.com/13955008

http://www.google.com/images?q=the+spotlight+brandi+garcia&um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&ei=dcJoTKSgF4T58AaL2smtBA&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=21

http://thespotlighttvshow.com/#/Showreel

Whatever. Some folks seem to like following hypocrites. I'm not the one. As for me and my family, we will follow someone else but certainly not the New Testament Christian Church leadership. Oh but there goes old bitter Jeff again with all his hate speeches. You are blind as a bat if you can't see how hypocritical the New Testament Christian Church has become and probably always was. RWD was just good at keeping us in the dark but the light is on now.

Jeff

Don And Ange Have Started A Blog, The More The Merrier

Don and Ange have started an ntccxer blog. This will be yet another website where you can go and learn the truth about what the New Testament Christian Church is really all about. Ange has been a loyal supporter here and it's my duty to announce the existence of a new blog that she and her husband have created. I posted a link to their blog directly below and you can also click on the title of this thread to take you there.

http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/

It's good to have folks like Don and Ange who want to sacrifice a little of there time in order to help save people from wasting years of there life only to hear, "If you don't like it here, there is the door". "Don't let it hit you on the back side on the way out".

New Testament Christian Church pastors gave me, my family and everyone else in the church building too many invitations to leave, and by the grace of God we finally decided to take them up on their offer. You talk about having a burden lifted. Man, our life is so much better outside the NTCC. One of my regrets is that I didn't take them up on their offer years earlier.

Jeff

False Doctrine The New Testament Christian Church Way: Keepers At Home

I've addressed this topic many times before and I remain amazed that not one person has been able to even remotely, effectively defend the NTCCs interpretation of Tts 2:5 and specifically the portion of that verse of scripture that reads "keepers at home".

Directly in front of me I have a Strong's Concordance of the Bible; specifically the "Abingdon" Strong's Concordance, copyright 1890 by James Strong. I want people to know where I'm quoting my facts from. Anyway; a New Testament Christian Church pastor suggested that I get this Strong's Concordance and that is exactly what I did, so don't expect me not to use it.

The phrase, "keepers at home" originally was not three separate words as we see written in the King James version of the Bible but in the Greek language prior to being translated into the English language it was one word, "oikoupos". The word "oikoupos" literally translated means to be domestically inclined, a good house keeper, one who takes care of household affairs, or a stayer at home. It is not translated into meaning that a woman can't have a job outside the home. If someone wants to take the one definition "STAYER AT HOME" literally and to be absolute meaning that a woman must "stay at home", then that would mean that a woman literally couldn't lawfully leave her home for any reason. That interpretation would be nonsense and absurd and it would be in direct conflict with the lifestyles that current and past NTCC women have lived all along. She couldn't leave for soul winning, she certainly couldn't leave to clean the Kekel's house or to clean the church or to go shopping for church supplies or she couldn't even leave her "HOME" to attend church service. Once again none of the definitions found in the Strong's Concordance for "keepers at home" states that a woman can't have a job outside the home. It simply does not say that, imply that, or suggest that. What it does mean is that "young" women are to be taught to take care of the household affairs, be a good house keeper and be "inclined" to spend time around her home i.e. "domestically inclined" as it is literally translated.

My wife "stays" around our home when she is not shopping or going to appointments or teaching 1st grade at the local school. That is no different than Tanya Kekel because Tanya is not "staying at home" when she is teaching at the NTCS and my wife is not "staying at home" when she is teaching 1st grade. Oh I forgot, all school teachers should be guys, right RWD? Right Kekel? Wrong and that notion would be complete nonsense. I wouldn't want my kids to attend a school where all the teachers were men. Oh I suppose that all female school teachers should either stay single or quit their teaching job as soon as they get married? That would be stupid because it's not Gods rule, it's the NTCCs rule. For every 100 male teachers you'd be lucky to have 1 woman teacher if you follow that stupid rule. What nonsense and the Bible doesn't teach that in Tts 2:5 or anywhere else. My wife doesn't have her students come over to clean our house either like Mike and Tanya. You call that getting a blessing because you clean the Kekel's house? It's sucking up, eating cheese and being used and God knows it!!!!! You ain't being blessed, you're being cursed and being used and being played like a fiddle!!!! God knows and so do I.

Now, we do want our wives to be virtuous women like we see mentioned in Proverbs 31 don't we? Of course we do if we believe the Bible. And correct me if I'm wrong but we don't believe that God contradicts himself do we? Of course not? So if women can't lawfully keep a job outside the home or work for pay outside the home, (or she will go to hell if she does) and that is what God was trying to say in Titus 2:5, then why did God (in Proverbs 31) state that a "virtuous woman" was known for doing things like and I quote Pro 31:24: "She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant"?

Selling fine linen is making money and delivering girdles to the merchant is not only making money but doing it outside the home. This is a Biblical example of a woman having a job and being considered virtuous in the process; she was hardly being considered a SINNER. The scripture said that she "delivereth". That means that she had to go outside the home, make a delivery to the merchant, and do so for money. One attribute that qualified a woman to be considered "virtuous" according to Proverbs 31 was that she did in fact make money OUTSIDE THE HOME by working on a JOB!!!!! Now this isn't just some Jeff Collins fancy play on words people, it's real and it's the Bible. I didn't write it so don't get mad a me New Testament Christian Church folks. If you have a problem with the Bible get mad a God not me, and tell God that his Bible doesn't line up with your New Testament Christian Church women not working doctrine, and you don't believe that a virtuous woman should leave her home to make money by selling merchandise and making delivery's to the merchants. Not only that but you need to tell God to change Titus 2:5 to read differently because it is supposed to read that a woman can not lawfully work outside the home for pay.

New Testament Christian Church people: RWD has taught you wrong so just admit it. If I'm wrong come on this blog or call me and prove it with the type of evidence that I just provided. Hey if you don't think a woman should have a job outside the home that's fine but don't make it a matter of heaven or hell and then try to back up your false assertion with Titus 2:5 because that dog don't hunt. Prove me wrong. The reason RWD would rather not have woman working is because having control over woman to a "Chauvinist" is way more important than having a piece of the extra money that she would make. The fact is, according to the Bible, RWD is dead wrong on this one. Prove me wrong. I challenge all you New Testament Christian Church so called scholars to prove me wrong and show me where in the bible that is says that a woman can't have a job outside the home.

Now don't misunderstand me people. There are benefits to a woman staying at home to raise non school age children. Huge benefits!!!! I have no problem with that at all and in fact I think it's great. I have no problem with women not working at all and I know that a woman not working outside the home can be a very good thing depending on the circumstances but don't make it a matter of heaven and hell with scriptures that don't support your false assertions. Especially when there are other scriptures like Proverbs 31:24 which clearly and undeniably show the exact opposite of what your church teaches. A man absolutely should work and provide for his family but that does not mean nor does it suggest anywhere in the Bible that his wife can't help him and work also "OUTSIDE" the home for pay. If you say that a woman must lawfully STAY AT HOME then this ain't Burger King and you can't have it your way when you want her to go soul winning, clean the church or Kekel's house. According to your interpretation she must STAY AT HOME and that means her own home, not Kekel's. And that would also mean that Tanya Kekel has no business teaching in your non accredited bible school because according to your interpretation she must "STAY AT HOME" literally. If a woman can lawfully go outside her home to soul win, clean the church or help clean the serviceman's home, pick up church supplies, clean the Kekel's house, then she can lawfully get a real job outside the home for pay like we see in Proverbs 31. Which way is it going to be NTCC folks? Prove me wrong, I challenge you.

False Doctrine the New Testament Christian Church way. RWD's way; control, control, control.

G.K. Socially Disadvantaged Or Not, You Decide

There have been discussions taking place on the previous thread concerning whether or not the Kekel's son should be considered quote " socially disadvantaged". I think my wife's research and analysis best describes G.K's social experiences. It's all in black in white, you just have to look for it.

What many don't understand is that by virtue of the school G. Kekel has attended, his socialization experience has been vastly different from the typical NTCC kid. I recall a conversation when Verna Davis told of a school trip to Canada that G.K. attended. This included an overnight stay. I'm not sure how many days. That classifies as a sleepover in my book. Tanya Kekel stating that her son was not allowed to attend sleepovers is just another one of their half-truths in my opinion. School trips and outings are sleepovers, just not at someone's private residence. G. Kekel has probably partook of many such school-sponsored excursions.

At the bottom I've attached a hyperlink to Charles Wright Academy 2009-2010 report that clearly outlines requirements for their graduates. Backpacking, sea kayaking, camping, 15 hours community service per year, mandatory senior internships, and mandatory sports participation doesn't sound like a situation where G.Kekel had no opportunity to socialize outside of NTCC.

Also note the report states that CWA is a college prep day school where 100% of their graduates attend a 4-year college. I guess that rules out NTCS for G. Kekel. Also (pun intended) NTCS is not on the college matriculation list.

My point: G. Kekel has not missed out on socialization having been an NTCC kid. While the rest of NTCC has kept the strict rules of no sleepovers, only 2 visitors, and no fraternizing with the world, the Kekels have indulged their son in all sorts of "worldly" experiences. They've gotten away with it right under everyone's noses. Why? A possible response from Mike Kekel: "Silly rabbits, don't you know we were just following the requirements mandated by G K's school."

Below is the link to the document I referenced. When you open the link, make sure you scroll through and at the bottom, look carefully at the list of "additional graduation requirements". These are activities that other NTCC children have been deprived of because they were considered worldly and of no benefit to "God's program".

http://fc.charleswright.org/cwainfo/FAV1-0001711D/FOV1-00017606/2009-10_Report_to_Colleges.pdf?FCItemID=S0099BC8A

Same Old Song And Dance At The Local NTCC

This thread was originally posted on 3/21/2009

These are pictures of NTCC pastors as they blow up and go berserk while blasting someone they are verbally attacking during church service.

Thread #6 There were about 5 of us who left the Columbus, GA / Phenix City, AL / Ft. Benning New Testament Christian Church about the same time. We all had our reasons for leaving and all of our reasons differed only slightly one from another. One particular brother left the New Testament Christian Church for a variety of reasons not the least of which was the NTCC/Kekel, land deal. This thread is about this particular brother that I will call Brother D.

When Brother D stopped attending services with the New Testament Christian Church, Oberhauser was the pastor here at Ft. Benning. Prior to Oberhauser, Hunt was the pastor and we were all with Hunt before Oberhauser arrived in Columbus GA/Ft. Benning.

Apparently the Brother somehow indicated to Oberhauser that his main reason for leaving was the land deal. That is definitely my understanding having personally talked to the brother that I'm referring to.

Hunt left Ft. Benning in the first place and was replaced by Oberhauser because Hunt said that it wasn't Gods will for him to be at the Ft. Benning church from the start!!! Well Hunt comes back to Ft. Benning to replace Oberhauser who had previously replaced Hunt. I guess that God changed his mind about Hunt being here. A little humor but serious nevertheless.

Well Brother D, bless his heart, out of the blue, decides to visit the New Testament Christian Church Church recently that he had previously left. Once again now Hunt is the pastor. Apparently Hunt found out one of the reasons Brother D gave for leaving the NTCC. Brother D told me today of his encounter while revisiting the local NTCC. Hunt took the opportunity to preach about how there is nothing wrong with RWD giving his son in law a bunch of land. That might be the case if the land hadn't been officially and legally recorded as a "New Testament Christian Church INC" property prior to it being given away by the New Testament Christian Church.

You know what? All that church member blasting and verbal abuse is exactly one of the very main reasons that my wife and I left the NTCC and we won't go back. I got so sick and tired of hearing abusive pastors target church members during their sermons for personal reasons. My wife said that it is a joke to even see New Testament Christian Church pastors pray before service because what they do the majority of time is get up, look out across the congregation and decide who to target and or blast which was exactly what happened to Brother D when he haphazardly decided to walk back into an New Testament Christian Church church that he had already left. That type of practice makes me sick. Hunt did the same thing to another Brother in a vicious way and the church service became very UGLY. Hunt did this because the brother didn't agree with Hunt about his fiancée not having a job. Hunt blasted the Brother as bad or worse as I have ever heard anyone get blasted. Needless to say, that Brother also left the New Testament Christian Church. I liked Hunt quite a bit so as a result it really bothered me to witness him blast this brother in such a vicious fashion. It was totally unnecessary to say the least. I'd like to see Hunt blast some of these NTCC pastors who's wives have worked on a job while the NTCC leadership knew all about it.

On Kekels blog, Kekel decided to highlight the fact that Sis Shunk had a job while she was in Korea as though she had done something wrong? The New Testament Christian Church leadership knew all about it previously, so why is Kekel just bringing it up now? It was never a problem before not only for Sis Shunk but the other wives of NTCC pastors who kept JOBS in places like Korea to help out their hubby and help with the church expenses. The only reason that Kekel decided to bring it up now is because the Shunks had started a blog highlighting the NTCC abuse methods and double standards. Typical NTCC smear campaign tactics. Somewhere along the line I missed this scripture: 2NTCC 3:1 Young women shall be keepers at home unless they have jobs outside the US, or they work at the NTCS, or they are out soul winning, or they are cleaning up the church and Kekel's house. 2NTCC 3:2 In such cases "young" woman do not have to be keepers at home.

Jeff