The NTCC only wants their members to remain married if both married parties, "happily" show that they maintain the desire to remain part of the NTCCs cultish organization. Why did I put quotes around the word happily? Because the NTCC does not under any circumstances want someone to remain a part of their organization, if that person doesn't openly show joyful contentment, with the NTCC as a whole, and more importantly, with everything that the NTCC teaches. When any individual questions the NTCCs doctrine, or the NTCCs leadership, that individual very rapidly becomes ostracized by the NTCC leadership; and this ostracizing starts at the individuals pastor and has been known to continue up the chain, all the way to RWD himself.
When there is a married couple in the NTCC and one of the married parties becomes disgruntled with the NTCC as a whole, the NTCC leadership will do their best to convince the person who is NOT disgruntled with the NTCC to leave and DIVORCE the one who is. When there is a married couple and only one of the two parties attends church with the NTCC, the NTCC pastors have been know to try and convince the one spouse to go to the NTCC's so called Bible school, and leave their spouse behind and ultimately divorce that person in the end.
NTCC pastors have EVEN been know to try and get a married person interested in someone other than their spouse, because their spouse was not a part of the NTCC. My wife and I witnessed this exact occurrence. An NTCC pastor and his wife. made innuendos to a Married Sister, that she take interest in an unmarried brother in our NTCC church. Remember; this woman was still happily married, but her husband refused to be a part of the NTCC. They spoke to this Sister who happened to be close to 60 years old, about leaving Georgia and in the end no doubt her husband also, and go to the NTCC's so called Bible school. Sounds like a great practice, don't you think folks?
Over the years, marriage has only been important to many NTCC leaders, if both married parties wanted to be a part of the NTCC. If they both didn't want to be a part of the NTCC, the NTCC would do their best, to try and convince one spouse to "STAY WITH THE NTCC", while leaving and ultimately divorcing the other. This is a fact folks. These things have been commonly practiced by the NTCC, and these practices definitely give the NTCC a place in the "Cult Hall Of Fame."
Jeff Collins
43 comments:
Jeff,
Divorcing someone because of their church affiliation is not only Biblically incorrect, but also L-A-M-E!
During the time I foolishly attended NTCC out of zeal without any regard to my marriage, my wife once told me, "If you want me to leave, I will"
I then did the smartest thing I ever did, I said "Don't go"
I let her attend her Korean Church service, and I in turn attended mine (NTCC).
NTCC owes me some long over-due family time. For, I definitely sacrificed my early honeymoon years for NTCC. I romanced NTCC, not my wife!!!!
I can never forgive myself for being so stupid with regards to NTCC, as they drove a wedge between me and my wife, and I was stupid enough and naive ennough to allow it to happen.
I was one of the fortunate ones. Many marriages do not even survive that long.
The funny thing is, I brought out quite a number of attractive women to church. When they found out I was married, they never came back.
So my marriage became a hinderance with regards to soul winning than a blessing.
I was a NTCC pimp, no more.
Bro Johnson
"I then did the smartest thing I ever did, I said "Don't go"
Wow love does truly conquer all in NTCC.
RW encouraged my wife to divorce her "sinner" husband when he found out she was inclined to forgive him and attempt reconciliation. "How long will you be a martyr to a marriage" was the line he used. I guess I was the beneficiary of that, but it still didn't make it right.
Bro Jeff,
YOU DID IT!!! The BIG 20,000 hits, you'll soon overtake NTCC's 22K hits.
When that happens, more people will have viewed your web site than the offical NTCC site.
Out with the old, in with the new. Hip, Hip, Horray!!!
Bro Johnson
Also more people are logging in DAILY to your webblog than NTCC's offical website.
Hopefully, no one has sent you death threats as they supposedly (tongue in check) have with regards to the Honorable, Trustworthy, Noble, Holy, Sacred, never sinned since he was saved, God's right hand man, move over, Jesus (I'll have to pray for forgivness later) and make room for the 24TH, 25TH, or 26TH Elder to the Grand Throne Room of God, Whose name is wirtten in the Lamb's Book of Life with room for more: The Reverand, The Almighty and still living Elder, The Bishop of Graham, The Duke of NTCC, The Prince of Persia, the ARM of "Gettin, The Man of GOG himself, With his Tricks there are no end: Mister Roger "W" Davis.
Tax, Title, Tag not included!!
AND if you leave NTCC RIGHT NOW, we will talk about you behind your back.
Holy Spirit Batteries are not included, and close the door behind you!!!
But, on your way out the door, could you please take the Pastor's TRASH!!!
Bro Johnson
How old is Rev Davis? 80? Look what happended to another elderly preacher here in Columbia, SC:
An 87-year-old Columbia preacher badly beaten by a home invader six weeks ago still has not regained consciousness and remains in intensive care at Palmetto Health Richland.
No arrests have been made in the brutal beating of the Rev. Tryon Eichelberger. City police say they have tracked down numerous leads and are seeking citizen help.
“Even the most insignificant information to somebody else, it may be that tidbit that puts us over the top or sends us in the right direction,” police Capt. Thomas Dodson said Monday.
Columbia Police Department in cooperation with the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (SLED) have developed a composite through witness information of the suspect involved in the assault of Reverend Tyron Eichelberger at his home on Isaac Street on May 3, 2009
Police efforts to date include canvassing the neighborhood around Eichelberger’s home at 119 Isaac St., interviewing family, releasing a sketch of the suspect and running that sketch through facial-recognition software, said Dodson, who oversees investigations.
Late on the evening of May 3, an intruder broke down the front door of Eichelberger’s home and smashed his head and shoulders with a metal pipe.
It was unclear what the motive might have been; no items were believed missing.
V/R
SFC Johnson
That is sad to hear. I certainly don't wish that on anyone in the NTCC. That is pretty cowardly to go bashing on an 87 year old man. I don't care what the guy did. Same with RWD. I don't care how many lives it's been that RWD and the NTCC has left shipped wrecked, because there have been many. I don't advocate violence as a viable measure to combat the NTCCs abuses.
If NTCC ministers physically abuse or has abused someone, you get the law involved. The law can do a whole lot more damage to the NTCC than a punch. Not unless they do it and you witness the act. Then you protect your family right there on the spot. The NTCC as a whole has not been known for committing such acts with very few exceptions.
Jeff
"The Gaylords and I went to many other churches/meetings of the PCOG, and camp-meetings".
That is what I liked about Pop Gaylord. He did what HE wanted to do, preach salvation, and it did not matter if he preached in NTCC or another church, the message of Salvation is relevant to all people, period.
That is why he got under Davis' skin, and Davis could not do a thing about it!!!!
MLJ
My gut feeling, and only my gut feeling suggests that there are things about R Davis and M Kekel that folks know about but are AFRAID to report due to reprisal.
Honestly, we are only beginning to scratch the surface, the more we peel back the onion the more stench is released.
It is only a matter of time before some of these folks get just fed up, or emboldened, and tell all.
It has never been a better time to exposed NTCC and it's corrupt leaders for what they are.
If anyone has any information, please EMPOWER yourself and STAND UP for yourself, for the first time in your life expose these cronies for what they are.
MLJ
The first step towards INDEPENDENCE from NTCC is to take Davis' picture down off the wall!!
MLJ
TAG, Jeff!
Your it!
Ha, Ha, hope your doing well, my friend.
I will try to call you sometime in the next few days to say Hi...
Bro Johnson
seeing through exnttcer lies,
i think your a liar and of the devil!
you have proved by coming on here that you are nothing more that a liar and a hypocrite
rwd has told you people not to go on the blogs, but you still do- does he know your on here?
no, he doesnt, becuase your not telling him...that makes you a LIAR
(technically) becuase your living a lie and your just like the devil who was a liar from the beginning
in fact your more than a liar
you a DEVIL!!!
speaking evil of the good people on this blog and making up lies about them lying, your of the devil
BTW- im just kidding, but i hope you see my point!
t
"It is only a matter of time before some of these folks get just fed up, or emboldened, and tell all."
That's what I've been hoping. There are people trapped in the borg who know exactly where the bodies are buried, so to speak. They've seen the ugliness up close for years, but have been intimidated into silence by fear, and have had to bear the guilt of association with men who have more in common with Al Capone than Jesus Christ. I pray that one or more of them will summon the courage to cast off that yoke of bondage and deliver a death blow to this collection of thieves and scoundrels.
It would be the right thing to do.
For those of you who don't read your Bible and/or don't know what I am referring to:
And the king said, Is the young man Absalom safe? And Ahimaaz answered, When Joab sent the king's servant, and me thy servant, I saw a great tumult, but I knew not what it was.
And the king said unto him, Turn aside, and stand here. And he turned aside, and stood still.
Mr. Piano Man wasn't there when the alleged activity took place and only knows part of the story. I never said I knew anything either. I'm only commenting on what he has posted on fictionnet.
Seeing through exntccer lies
stel,
first off, lets establish a little credibility.... your basically viewed as the "blaine of ntcc" in fact i would suggest that Blaine's comments and reasoning skills are superior to yours and he's obviously "not on his meds"
tell us a little about yourself, how old are you? what brach of the service where you in? (marines is my guess) how long have you been in ntcc? single or married? children?
can you think of another accusation to use besides "liar"?
have you attended bible school or are you in the process?
answering some of these questions will not only lend you a little credibility but will also act in a cathartic form and perhaps relieve you of some of your pent up anger
Jesus doesnt want you to be angry..
t
S.T.E.L,
The longer you put off answering these onest questions,
The more you will lack in crediblity.
Continue to post! Soon jeff's Blog hits will overtake Kekels which means his is more popular than the OFFICIAL NTCC BLOG - 8-9 months verses over three years.
- DIAL JESUS!!!
stel,
I claim to be a real christian!!! do you know what a real christian is?
i will explain-
a real christian is someone, anyone who realizes they are a sinner and calls out to god to save him/her......then simply understands by faith that they are loved by god and will spend eternity with him all of this having been accomplished by THE BLOOD OF JESUS!!
after being born-again, they go thru a process different than any other person called sanctification, particularly prescribed for each and everyone of his children....
all his children look different, act different, have different emotional make-ups, have different personalities- yet they all have this one thing in common:
they have the DNA of their father in heaven and are being transformed into the image of christ
stel- take a good look at David's life.... if you look at him in seperate and distinct time period's you would think he was no way a follower of God- but his god was faithfull to do the work in him
stop judging by outward appearance- not just outward, samuel stumbled at that point, but your judging by another man's opinion of outward appearance
that my friend is foolish- be a man and get your info from the bible not a mans opinion
t
stel
i say this with all seriousness and not a hint of sarcasm:
get a book on hermeneutics (how to study the bible, in context)
actually i would recomend that to any christian
beware of any "christian" belief system that makes you and them "distinct, better or more enlightened" than other christians
its simply another form of gnosticism that the was warned about it 1john and colossians
it cant hurt to read the book- if your right then you will remain right
t
a manipulation tactic by ntcc:
use phrases such as:
"they left god"
"they lost out with God"
"all real christians..."
"had a pepsi with the devil"
the real problem with these "tactics" is that it keeps on putting the ball in the hands of the sheep and takes the ball out of the hands of God
Jesus is the shepherd and he never manipulates....he draws...he doesnt condemn....he convicts......he doesnt expect perfection....he sanctifies us an cleanses us..
i think ive gone on enough--LOL
t
STEL,
You aren't any better than that piano dude.
All you have done so far is blubbered away about how everyone is a liar on here but you haven't answered any questions given to you. Why is that?
Quit beating around the bush and answer the questions. They aren't hard questions...unless, that is, you don't have any answers for them.
Dawn
STEL and Stinger. Do not post any more garbage on this blog. You are clogging it up with nonsense and I will not allow that. Davis can disfellowship the folks that he wants from the NTCC and I can delete your nonsense from this blog.
Start your own Blog STEL because I have lost patience for your nonsense.
Jeff
To all. The reason that I am deleting STELs comments is because STEL is not posting comments with substance. This blog becomes uninteresting to anyone, when all they have to read is endless lines of bickering. I didn't create this blog for that. I want folks to come on here and find material of interest. STEL has also written categorical inaccuracies, by severely misquoting what I have written. He has done that all along.
I have no problem with NTCC folks posting here but it will be in a respectable, logical, and decent manner. STEL continually fails to act in a respectable manner. He simply attacks everyone while failing to write legitimate justification for his attacks. Consequently I no longer have patience for his nonsense. I would rather have this blog dormant with good content to read, than have a bunch of bickering back and forth which is all that STEL has brought to this blog and it is over. People don't want to read a bunch of bickering and neither do I. It destroy's all effectiveness that this blog possesses.
Everyone on this blog who has responded to STEL, to include a current minister, has refuted and rejected STELs tactics.
That fact alone is justification for my decision. STEL has already brought enough discredit to the NTCC, without him clogging up otherwise decent threads with nonsense.
Thank you for your understanding.
Jeff
My first NTCC Pastor (not Davis), was there, and culpable in the separation (and subsequent divorce) of my wife and I.
She was young (although well over 13), we had just had a baby (after 4 miscarriages). We were newly married. She was away from home for the first time, and I had just found a church for us to go to. I found this church the same way most others find NTCC…through the frequent invitation from a ‘soul-winner.’
I went first to check it out (I am very protective of my family, but in this instance I let them down), liked it, and brought my family. After we started to attend as a family, my young wife (about 23 years old by this time) was pressured to wear dresses, let her hair grow, stop wearing make-up, etc. from the pulpit, and in personal ‘counseling’ sessions. She didn't like it, hated NTCC, but conformed anyway. We were both Christians before we started attending NTCC, having both met at the same not-NTCC church we were attending.
When she decided she had enough of NTCC (after about 3 years), and knowing I wouldn't leave NTCC, she filed for separation and left. Before she did this the NTCC Pastor’s only marriage counsel was - no, not to reconcile; no, not to find another church to salvage our marriage - you know abc (not her real name), if you abandon pdq, you can never Biblically remarry. She said she knew, and left me; later filing for our divorce. She remarried; as did I. She now also has another lovely son, in addition to our son, and a new husband, who is a good father and husband…while I have no children because of NTCC's no-children-for-ministers 'policy.'
I say “I have no children” because I am currently estranged from my only child because I was not able to spend any time with him (9 days in 18 years) because of NTCC's don't-put-your-family-before-the-ministry 'policy.' So there is justifiable blame there. It was either go to conference or move to yet another work…or go visit my son and loose my license. So I went to conferences, and moved; in obedience to this NTCC ‘policy.’
During this time I was also not able to call my child very often because we never had much money (the conference/move thing again); and the parsonage phone was for church business only, and the call was always long distance. Cell phones weren't an option (or even affordable then), and the internet wasn't common (and who used email, especially children).
I wrote him letters, but he would never write me back. I don’t fault him in this as I don’t like to write letters either, and probably from his point of view wasn’t making any effort to see him. And as I mention above, visits were not an option, and he couldn’t visit me because he was too young to travel by himself at first, then his mother wouldn’t let him fly (I would have to pay for the ticket) by himself when he was old enough, and NTCC’s no-family-members-are–allowed-to-stay-in-the-parsonage ‘policy’ would have required me to stay in a hotel room with my son, had he been able to visit me, which we couldn’t afford.
Our finances are much improved, only because I am currently not Pastoring for NTCC (not for lack of trying to get ‘permission’ to Pastor), but the damage has been done, and for the present, un-repairable. So, though I am now financially able to do the things I should have already been doing for the last 18 years, to maintain a relationship with my only child, this door is presently closed to me.
I sacrificed my wife, my son, and my secular carrier for NTCC. NTCC knows all this about me, the sacrifices and decisions I made just to get to Bible College, the sacrifices and decisions I made to be one of their Pastors for almost 20 years; yet they still maintain the cavalier attitude of, "If you don't like it, leave" (or in my case, when are you going to leave) and will brook no criticism, question, concern, or request for clarification; however constructive and innocuous they may be.
The only bright spot in being involved with NTCC is my wife xyz (name changed).
pdq
That is a sad story pdq. Typical. You know how I feel about the NTCC. No love what-so-ever.
Jeff
Hey Jeff!
I understand STEL not posting here. Why can't I plug my friend's website?
stinger's elisha
My problem with that website is that the content is somewhat extreme and the website is totally unprofessional. I'm not trying to step on toes but that is the way I see it. I'm not into all this messenger of satan, stinger, MOS stuff. It's not the message that I am trying to promote on this blog. I don't mind you posting but I don't want the link here because I am not associated with that stuff. At least not in that format.
The bright red background is absurd and unprofessional and I want folks to take this blog seriously and to take me seriously. My wife briefly glanced at the websites bright red background when I pasted the URL and pulled it up. My wife immediately said that the bright red background was absurd, which it is. What I am doing here is very serious and certainly not a game. I put much thought into the things that I write and I also put much thought into the format of this blog. I even consulted other people to try and increase this blogs effectiveness. I thought about the format, the colors, the posting options and so on.
Lives are being wrecked by the NTCC and I am trying to do the best I can to help prevent it. For my mission to be successful, people reading this blog must recognize that I am an individual that can be taken seriously. If all they read is a bunch of bickering back and forth we loose our effectiveness. There is a time for that but not all the time, and that is why I've deleted so many of STEL's comments.
When interested parties find links to a blog with a bright red background and folks posting on it who call them self the messenger of satan, we loose our effectiveness and by association we loose credibility.
I would never create a professional website and make the background bright red and sign my name the "messanger of satan" or "stinger".
I am on a mission here and I am going to conduct my mission effectively and professionally or I will abort the mission because I have better things to do with my life. I don't plan to abort the mission so therefor it will be conducted effectively.
People like pdq, Vic, t, Casey, Bro J, NS, L Travis, Concerned Minister, Dawn, Angie and many others are an asset to this blog. That website is not an asset to my mission, which is to warn people about the dangers of being involved with the NTCC.
That website is a liability.
Jeff Collins
I just went to Blaine's blog, because the link was posted.
Hmmm... *scratching my head*, that fella is in need of some serious prayer.
I am not sure if he is acting this way because of Rev. Davis' comments about satan, the devil and leaving NTCC, or if Blaine is seriously not serving GOD anymore and instead serving another master.
I hate confusion like that. Blaine, if you are on satan's side for real, fine, but if you are not and you are trying to make a point to someone, change your colors, MOS name, etc.
I truely hope you are on Yahweh's side though and are just trying to express anger and frustration by doing your blog the way you have it.
Praying for you Blaine.
PDQ,
You just described my life, only in reverse order.
I'm that estranged child.
Don't worry, brother. In time, your son will reach the maturity in which he will want to come visit you.
I know,I was, what you could call estranged from my birthparents from birth. My mother was 15, my father was 21 (Kind of like Kekel and Tanya)
Anyway, I was born. My father seperated from my mother. My mother, bless her heart she did the best thing she could do for me: She gave me up to a loving couple.
A funny thing happened back in 1998. I found my father via the interent via people search. I found my grandfather and father, they both work at the same factory!!
I had the chance to meet him - I went to go see him, and it was incredible!!
So, do not loose hope, PDQ, I am confident that God has bigger blessings in mind for you, in His time...
Bro Johnson
PDQ,
That was an awesome, but sad testimony. I hope God restores the things you lost like he did Job.
NS
Dawn,
I went to Blaine's blog and I found it- distressing
I had to pray after reading it!
PDQ,
Both of my parents abandoned me when I was 5 years old. My folks gave custody to the state and I was placed in a state home for children. It is a very long story, the point I want to make is I still loved my mother and father very much. I didn't kick them to the curb like ntcc does to anyone who doesn't obey their stupid rules. Most five year olds have more love in their heart than most ntcc pastors.
Thanks ntcc for all your genuine love, not. I have personally witness a hateful attitude toward those who didn’t perform like the pastor thought they should have . NTCC STINKS.
Happy Father's Day everyone!!!
MLJ
I'm sorry Jeff, I just couldn't keep it to myself. I came back to check out the thread where you kicked me out and ALL of Mr. Piano Man's comments have been deleted! This whole thing just smells fishy. I mean, stinks of fish! What kind of operation are you really running here Jeff?
Seeing through exntccer (Jeff's) lies
Ok, so I read some other threads and it appears as though doubleD/Mr. Piano Man deleted the comments and then Jeff cleaned up afterwards. So I admit I was wrong which is something exntccers are incapable of doing. Sorry Jeff I retract the (Jeff's) from my name.
Seeing through exntccer lies
Stel,
if you don't get off this blog I'm going to be forced to tell Pastor
(mocking tone) "I'm going to be forced to tell Pastor."
There are so many things wrong with that quote. Who are you to tell Pastor? The NTCC blog police? That would just prove to everyone here on this blog that Pastor has people spying on these blogs for him in order to further destroy the reputations of ministers who comment on here. I really think you are lying, that's why I'm mocking you. Secondly, how would you even know who I am in order to tell Pastor? I can see it now, anonymous goes to Pastor and says "I was reading Jeff's blog today and someone posted some comments I thought were _____ (fill in the blank). They are going by the name STEL."
You know what... go ahead... I dare you! FAKE!
Seeing through exntccer lies
Fine, you child of disobedience! I'll be in line this Sunday
You know this doesn't surprise me
at all.
This is the kind of behaviour that you will encounter from those people that are trying to get in the good graces of people in the upper ranks.
Specially if the overseers come to your church and then they will go on and tell pastor who treated them wrong or didn't go around them acting like a little puppy dog lapping all around them.
So it is very typical of an ntcc member or those ministers that are in washington warming the bench so to speak.
They don't have nothing else to do so they resort on spying on people and will go and tell the superiors about you and your infractions.
So, yes my friends, what you are witnessing right now is the typical behaviour of a loyal ntccer.
I pray that STEL can reflect upon what God wants her to be...a perfect woman of obedience!
These Exers have really pulled the wool over your eyes if you believe that someone actually told on me. I wouldn't even be surprised if anonymous June 23, 2009 10:08 PM, June 27, 2009 10:52 PM, June 29, 2009 1:54 PM, and June 29, 2009 8:00 PM are the same person. Just look at the similarities in the posts and the fakeness of the threat. There is so much that screams FAKE about these posts.
Seeing through exntccer lies
STEL,
You must be smoking wool if you think it was all the same person!
Just be obedient like Jesus asks us to!
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