One of the Junction City folks who left the NTCC wrote this:
"After struggling off and on for 3 years with the manipulative mind games I LEFT!! I always knew deep down something wasn't right. To this day I can't explain in words the emotional destruction NTCC caused me as a new christian. I'm glad to be OUT!!!"
SFC Johnson was also with the NTCC in Junction City Kansas. He has posted extensively on this blog and he's told countless stories of all the bad experiences that he endured while with the NTCC, so consequently he left the NTCC also. Another person has also posted some alarming info about the Junction City NTCC on this blog.
It sounds like Junction City has been the breading place of some seriously abusive NTCC pastors but what's new? So is just about every other city who's soil an NTCC pastor has placed his feet on. NTCC pastors are taught to be abusive and that is not only true but it is the only logical explanation that would explain why as many people complain about the existence so many unruly NTCC ministers.
If you have specific stories about life in the Junction City NTCC feel free to post them. Obviously everyone can feel at liberty to reply or chime in as they see fit.
Jeff
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 207 of 207Bro. Bellamy,
Thank you for commenting and we commend you for apologizing and for your humble attitude. I wish more Pastor's from the ntcc had your disposition and humility. My wife, Ange and I are considered to be "the nastiest of all Muck-Rakers" because we give true accounts of what we consider to be spiritual abuse in the ntcc. I have to say that we feel it is our calling in life to help people that have been hurt or are still hurting.
This position we take causes many to look at us like God-haters and we in turn defend ourselves. Your comment on this blog was one of the most civil and honest assessments coming from an ntcc preacher that I have ever heard. Our goal is not to destroy an organization but to help those that have been wrongfully hurt by those that have misused their office and been the cause of deep spiritual wounds in the hearts of those who served faithfully.
I know what I'm saying goes against many of the ntcc doctrines and policies, but there is a practice in the ntcc of running people off that many testify of. So many people that participate in this and other blogs have horror stories of how they were run off, by public humiliation or blasted from the pulpit for things that are not even sin.
Our hope is that you and people like you will not misuse or abuse your ministry as many others have, but that in love you will help those that you reach to be able to stand for God on their own two feet and think for themselves. "Policies" can be damaging if they are preached as requirements to get to heaven. In zeal to send people to bible school, relationships have been destroyed and people that were meant to be together have suffered years of unnecessary hurt.
Are you pastoring in the servicemen's work at Ft. Polk, LA? If you are, say hello to Charlie V. for us. We ask this in sincerity, not in anyway trying to influence him. We believe people should follow God's plan for their lives and we have no interest in trying to influence people that are happy and at peace with themselves and God.
We might not agree on many things but we hope you will continue to take things at face value and hope you will drop in and visit from time to time.
Don and Ange
"I acknowledge my mistakes and try to take an honest look at my life and ministry. And make the proper adjustments."
That's great! I'd like to recommend an adjustment that has been a great help to many: leave NTCC and shake the dust off of your feet. Try it and see what a blessing it will be!
It is commendable that Bro. Bellamy offered an apology. The sad fact of the matter is that there are people in and out of NTCC that refuse to acknowledge any wrong while in church.
I remember I recounted an infraction to a minister. He looked sympathetic at the time. Came time for service it was a whole different circus. He manifested fake crying while saying "boo hoo they hurt me." You are marked as a whiner, gossiper, or hypocrite. Some lie is made up about you just in time for the next service. This falsehood is not gossiping because it is coming from behind the pulpit. Apology never seems to make it to the pulpit or it is milktoast.
Rev Bellamy said...
"If every preacher waited until they were perfect to become a preacher then there would be NO preachers!"
Jeff said...
Sir I'd agree with you if weren't for the NTCC's system which fosters abusiveness and poor leadership. We're not just talking one or two or three abusive NTCC ministers here. I've seen and personally experienced multitudes.
RWD and the NTCC system molds these guys and it goes far deeper than just a lack of "perfection". Someone who takes cookies from the cookie jar without asking isn't perfect. Someone who smashes a window with a brick and takes the unattended purse is a crook. Well a preacher who deliberately belittles, humiliates and abuses church members is a menace and they don't fall into the same category of someone who simply hasn't attained perfection.
Someone who misquotes a scripture is imperfect. Someone who says, "You are a sorry excuse of a Christian parent if your child doesn't attend the NTCS" while guilt tripping every NTCC parent under the sound of his voice and then grooms his Grandchild (Grant Kekel) to attend a secular college is a straight up manipulative fake hypocritical jerk. Once again a far cry from simple imperfection.
Rev Bellamy, what I'm saying is that many, many NTCC ministers are far worse than someone who is simply imperfect. They are straight up menaces to society and I've witnessed it first hand on far too many occasions.
Jeff
This is in response to Jeff's last post.
Jeff as I said in my last comment, I am not responding to what others have done or said. I was just letting those that wrote about me know that I did not try to hurt them in any way (There comments were from 2009). I had to learn how to preach and be a pastor. It is easy to learn something in a school or college, but another matter to go out and do what God wants me to do. God is not going to hold me accountable for what someone else does regardless of what church organization I belong to.
I am not writing here to support anyone or to tell a story about others. I don't even know who you are or most of the people that write comments on the different blogs. I have been going to NTCC for 20 years; 7 years in the Army; 5 of that 7 was in Germany and I was a pastor in Germany for 4 years.
I want anyone that does know me to pray for me and I don't mind if you contact me.I have a lot of friends inside and outside of NTCC. I just refuse to go back and forth about who is right and who is wrong. I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone. Just saying if I did something to anyone(I am not speaking for anyone other than myself.) Then I ask their forgiveness and I want to make it right.
As far as I know what I am apologizing for is being over zealous which I am prone to be in many areas of my life when I first start something. Junction City was the first place that I ever was a pastor and that was 7 years ago.
I can totally respect that Sir. I appreciate you coming on this blog and making your peace.
I lived in my first serviceman's home in 1985. I went to BNCOC in 86 where I lived in my second serviceman's home. I went to Germany in 87 and on the weekends I stayed in my third serviceman's home. I had to stay on the weekends because I was stationed too far away from the serviceman's home in Stuttgart. That third pastor was very controlling and abusive. As a result, I left the NTCC for quite a few years and as I neared retirement from the Military I was given the phone number to an NTCC church which I visited and became faithful to along with my family.
This pastor was extremely abusive, controlling and frankly impossible to please. My family and I stayed there for about 18 months until we couldn't take it any longer and we left his church to travel 2 hours to the nearest NTCC church hoping things would be better and they were but some of the same negative stuff still existed.
The pastor left and a new one came and he took a church of approx 80 and ran it down to single digits. He simply wasn't cut out for the job. By that time it became apparent to me and my wife that the problem was systemic. We found some NTCC related websites which contained many stories of abuse which were virtually identical to what my family and I had experienced. Then I knew that the problem was far deeper than just a few renegade NTCC pastors. These practices were learned and taught by word and by the example which the NTCC leadership displayed.
In 2008 we left the NTCC once and for all, certain to never return.
Now you know a little bit more about me and additionally, (for all it's worth) I moderate this blog.
You've never been my pastor but I think that I can speak for others who either have in the past of still periodically frequent this blog. Your apology is accepted. You came on here Sir, posted your name, came in peace, and I offer my peace as you've come here in good faith. That is only the right and decent thing to do.
I sincerely value and appreciate your comments here.
Sincerely and respectfully,
Jeffrey Collins
Rev Bellamy,
Sir, greetings and Salutations in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I also apologize to you Sir, if I said anything which caused undo stress to you or your family.
You are destined for greatness, Sir, for you are not afraid to humble yourself, a true exhibit A example of the "Servant not being above his Master".
Rebuke a wise man and he will be more the wiser.
More NTCC preachers, namely those in positions of leadership, could learn from your example.
God be with you!
Bro Johnson
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